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Poker - Skill Based Nuances

by Lamare Posted 3rd Aug 2022 at 8:41 PM
10 Comments / replies (Who?) - 8 Feedback Posts, 2 Thanks Posts
Overview
This little mod gives you a way to improve at poker and work on your skills, rather than relying solely on luck. It adds two things:
  • highly creative sims have a chance to cheat at poker to fake a better hand, unless they're nice (7+ creativity, up to 4 niceness),
  • highly charismatic sims may have other sims buy into their bluff and fold when they wouldn't otherwise, unless those sims have a pretty good hand or higher charisma (7+ charisma is considered high here).
The changes are subtle, and high skills do not guarantee winning, because who'd want to play with sims who always win? By the way, there is someone who always wins -- Unsavory Charlatan

Requirements
Night Life + any one pack from Bon Voyage and later.
I'm not sure if stuff packs count, but if you have BV, FT, AL or Super/Ultimate Collection, you're good.

Conflict Resolving
The mod may conflict with other mods that override the same resources:
Player - Should Fold? | BHAV 0x7F71C68E 0x00002009
Game - Score Hand | BHAV 0x7F71C68E 0x0000202A

Known Issues
Even without mods, I noticed that poker game has issues -- sometimes sims would get stuck in a loop of shuffling cards or endless idling. Players have to get up from the table to break the cycle and start fresh. The code is quite complex, and I haven't been able to fix it.

Type:
      Object Mods: Object Interaction Mods (things that change how sims interact with objects or their environment, like "Multi-owner door" or "sunbathe anywhere")

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Nightlife
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poker_skill_based_nuances.zip

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1. Download: Click the download link to save the .rar or .zip file(s) to your computer.

2. Extract the zip, rar, or 7z file.

3. Place in Downloads Folder: Cut and paste the .package file(s) into your Downloads folder:
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10 Comments / Replies (Who?) - 7 Feedback Posts, 2 Thanks Posts
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Mad Poster
#2 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 4:05 AM
Thanks for another fix to one more of EA's messes.
Top Secret Researcher
#3 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 4:52 AM
Are there any nuances for the Logic skill built-in already or would that need to be modded?

Overall, this is a cool mod. Thank you!


Field Researcher
#4 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 8:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fway
Are there any nuances for the Logic skill built-in already or would that need to be modded?

Overall, this is a cool mod. Thank you!

Agreed, I'd love to see the more modern, logical approach to poker modeled here.
But like... this is already incredible, and I'm so excited to make a poker den with this in place!
just a girl
Original Poster
#5 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 2:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TadOlson
Thanks for another fix to one more of EA's messes.

Well, I wouldn't call it a mess, they went an extra mile to imitate the real game in great detail. I was impressed, actually.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fway
Are there any nuances for the Logic skill built-in already or would that need to be modded?

I haven't found any trace of it if they are. I though about logic skill, but didn't know what to do with it really.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlfredAskew
Agreed, I'd love to see the more modern, logical approach to poker modeled here.

Feel free to suggest how it would work. I'll see if I can do it.
Top Secret Researcher
#6 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 5:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamare

I haven't found any trace of it if they are. I though about logic skill, but didn't know what to do with it really.



For logic: a Sim with high logic skill would have a higher chance of calling out another Sim's bluff, or catch a Sim cheating.


Field Researcher
THANKS POST
#7 Old 4th Aug 2022 at 9:07 PM
Full disclosure, I don't have a great understanding of how poker logic works in the sims.

In reality, understanding the logic of the game (and playing a really good game) would mean knowing the odds of a hand, knowing when to get out, and when to double down.

To simplify that down to game logic, I would suggest that when logical sims lose, they should lose fewer simoleons, and when logical sims win, they should win slightly more simoleons.
Logic-based playing should be playing odds, not the other players. I'd expect them to come out on top in the long-run, not have an edge on any particular hand.

(But again, this is fabulous already. No pressure. )
Lab Assistant
#8 Old 5th Aug 2022 at 10:23 AM
This seems like a useful add-on mod for your new poker player LTW!

Also I very much like both fway's and AlfredAskew's suggestions for throwing Logic skill into the mix - I know zero about playing poker in real life (I didn't know that my Sims were actually playing the game for real, I just thought it was a cycle of pre-set animations), but what they've proposed sounds good to me.
just a girl
Original Poster
#9 Old 5th Aug 2022 at 5:59 PM
Thank you all for your ideas.

I can make logical sims immune to bluff, this should work. Or rather give them a chance to see through it, right. Now I have it that charismatic sims are kind of immune -- only those that have higher skill can fool them, but it can be changed.

The money thing is a bit iffy. Sims join the table with a §100, then during the game they place bets, and the winner gets the pot at the end of each round in a form of chips. Players acquire chips and get the money worth of them when they leave the table. So, in theory, I could insert money out of thin air, e.g. let logical sims get more chips then there were in the pot, but I'd rather not, even it you won't notice it. It would definitely be the easy way, but I should hate to spoil the realistic aspect. I don't know if I'm willing to commit to doing it the hard realistic way, either. It would require me to be quite logical myself to simulate all the decision making :D
I'll think about it.
Field Researcher
#10 Old 9th Aug 2022 at 10:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamare
Thank you all for your ideas...


Fair enough! I totally trust your taste on the matter.
(Also, the poker den lot is a hopping good time. :D)
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#11 Old 28th Aug 2022 at 11:43 AM
Love it! (like all your mods, FIY). My sims have been playing poker quite a lot recently.

The idea I immediately thought of is... What if 10 logic is kind of equal to being able to count cards? But maybe it needs a very "serious" aspect as well (I can't imagine super playful knowledge sims with 10 logic actually doing it). So definitely seeing through bluff and cheating. But indeed the lower levels only have some chance of seeing through it.