What a great find, thanks!

Normally I boycott TSR at almost all costs (unless I really need a mesh or set piece or I'm getting stuff from the Booty) but I think i need that blanket. My biggest hope is that it won't raise music and dance enthusiasm so that my child sims will hopefully stop "Dance Together"-ing with their older family members. I wouldn't mind the interaction if the children's laughter wasn't so obnoxious... I'm off to either a) play round eight or b) update round seven on my website. I'm leaning toward the first one ~VP

I didnt see a cost for that blanket. Did I miss that it was a pay item? Did you see the straw bed ??!!! Now that would be perfect for so many ages ! http://www.thesimsresource.com/them...wbed/id/722877/

It's not a pay item. It should be free (was when I got it last night.) I did see that bed and I thought it was great. I also saw leaf beds that would be great for neaderthal beds, too. I wish I had seen those things before I started the challenge. Oh well, not going back.

I just updated my website for Round Seven. Playing Round Eight right now, and all of my first-borns should be becoming Adults near the end of this round. I think when I start Round Nine (and start getting these guys married) I'll redecorate using some of the more themed stuff I've accumulated over the last few rounds (including the bed anna linked to!). I'll probably end of evicting everyone from their current lots and moving them into the newly decorated lots. Mostly b/c if i don't have a base that everyone gets, I'll forget something in one of the later houses or remember something there and give the later families an advantage over the earlier families. Have to keep things fair you know. Especially before they all change classes and I get to let some have "unfair" advantages due to higher class. However I'm a long ways away from that.

On a side note, I think I'm getting burned out on ToT. I think I might take a break for a while and get back to creating. Several people have asked me if I can make something, and several more have been promised stuff. But ToT was just too much fun to work on any of that. ~VP

I'm kinda in the same boat. I pushed myself to get to the Roman era and now I'm finding difficult to get up any enthusiasm for playing. I will be back, though!

Getting Bored?
 

I have to balance playing each family with some building activities. As my first born generation of Romans are becoming adults, I decided that they would expand their family plebian shops (which had been out of a small room in the front of their house) to a community lot based shop in the "shopping district". As I play each plebian family, I build their equivalent home business in the new shopping district. So my current round of play (still in Roman Gen 1) goes Patriarch, Plebian, build a small business shop, Slave, repeat). I figure this means that I will build 5 small shops in my shopping district: Pottery Shop, Fabric Shop (custom content dye set and sewing machines), Blacksmith (custom content toy bench), Bakery, Florist/Farmer. The oldest son in each family is running the new shop in the village and his father is maintaining a small home shop. This has been challenging as each family seems to lose money the first week of operations in the new shop and some have had to sell things around their house to pay the servants. I hire some of the slaves and plebians as workers as my shops grow.

I also discovered that while I had been playing the neanderthals, I missed hearing the music, so I found a custom content music box that had some "medieval" music. I figure while the music isn't Roman, the strings and flutes would have been around in the Roman age. I found that adding music back into the game made me happier. :lovestruc

Dont go to far away girls ! Now that summer is coming ( unlike Game of Thrones and winter lol ) I am spending more time in my real garden so I havent had much time to play lately. But Im still ahead enough to have some updates left. Cespencer that music sounds lovely !

I just wanted to say a quick hello and thank Anna for posting this thread here at MTS. I have also been a long time lurker and in fact, this is my first post! When I stumbled across this challenge it rekindled a desire to try something new with my Sims 2 games. Since, I have always worked too much in the past ... I never did get around to doing a challenge or legacy. Now that I am able to stay home and hubby encouraging me to enjoy my time (he even bought me a new computer to play my games!). I am excited to try this challenge. It looks like so much fun and everyone has inspired me with their blogs and updates. So for the last two weeks I have been testing the waters so to speak and have decided to go for it! I am playing for fun and have of course adjusted some rules to suit my game play. I have a weebly Sims 2 site and have now updated it to include The Test of Time Challenge. Please check it out. The site is still under development and hopefully it will continue to grow. It is called Nesxya's Moodlets and is located @http://nesxyasmoodlets.weebly.com . Happy Simming everyone!

Nice storyline you have going nesxya!

Thank you Sandy! I am glad you enjoyed it. You have been a great help in fact!!! I learned a lot about heat stroke, having a tub, and toddler care from you. I at first tried to have the two pee bushes and one rock shower, which went into over drive!!!. There was lots of sun burned Sims (which I am horrible at remembering to take pictures of!). I ended up creating latrine areas in my Beta Group. I figured my SimStones had to have the basics to keep their needs at least manageable. As a Communal Cave I didn't worry about the furniture limitations, but in the individual Clan Caves I will probably use the limitations. But it would have not been a success with out your knowledge and others here! So thank you, I hope you don't mind I have a link to your web site on my sidebar.

I just wanted to tell you I have to take a break from TS2 for some time now. My RL is getting a little busy, I have to move to another town, so... ^^
See you all in a few weeks or so.
... And I'm just a few sims days away from the transition to Rome, too. I'm already playing my last household of the round... >.< Well, at least when I come back I can read your transition stories and learn from your experience. :P

Glad to be of some help! And dear, link away!

I enjoyed the weebly site. I like the way you built your caves. Can't wait to hear more about the clans.

Yuki good luck on your move, hang in there. I know the challenge has been a challenge for you. I look for seeing you in the near future.

Sandi, most happy to link away!

Ooo thank you Cespencer! I just love how you tell your Test of Time story from an Archeologist point of view and your site! You were a complete inspiration for my SimCity Herald Post with Cassandra Goth the famous Simthropologist. It was a complete tribute to you! I also have a link to your site, I have it worded in the style of the site's title. If you would like it changed, please let me know.

In fact, I scoured this thread and have everyone's site linked in my sidebar. If anyone wants anything changed to their link, or have missed someone ... please let me know. Thank you.

Welcome nesxya !! I just love when new people come on board to rejuvenate us. Your site is great and I too love your story line. Will be interesting to see how the more males than females. Yuki good luck with your move. If you are like me once I got settled I was able to devote much more times to the sims. I look forward to your return

Thank you Anna, I am so happy you like my site and story! You are so awesome and I love your site! I am also interested to see how the gender ratios turn out, along with the slow introduction of genetics. I have just finished playing the current round and have been updating my weebly page. (Plugin: http://nesxyasmoodlets.weebly.com , since I need more posts to have a signature!) Hopeful I will be finished with updated posts tonight or tomorrow. The last few Sim days felt like they would take forever to finish and I only have three households! I can't imagine how long it takes everyone to finish a rotation of households in the Roman stage! My hats off to you. Happy Simming everyone and talk to you soon. :lovestruc

You are too sweet ! If you play heavy handed then it takes forever LOL When I finally moved teens out on lots with their mates the turns just flew by with only 2 of them ! Now of course everyone is having babies again and Im slowing down but then the original family lots are dwindling with kids moving out and elder dying so its 6 of one and half dozen of the other. Summer has taken over my life lately and I have been spending more time in my garden than in my sims garden so Ive not played for awhile. Once everything gets planted and starting to sprout hopefully I should be able to get back at it. Take care !

Folks, I'm here to tell you that you don't know what scared is until your laptop goes down and your friendly IT tech neighbor uses that compound word that all computer owners fear, "Motherboard!" Luckily when he checked into things further, he discovered that because my battery is basically shot, Windows 7 kept putting my laptop in "Hibernate"! By disabling that, he not only got my laptop back working, but was able to fix 4 other laptops at the VA Medical Center where he works!

Glad to hear your laptop is in good health again Sandy.
I just updated my signature because I didn't realise it was directing everyone to a '404 Page not found'.
The link should work now.

Hey all~ *waves*

I'm excited to see so many people in the Roman Era now and to see the different takes on it. Not a lot has been said about family lots, I'm curious - to those in the Roman Era, or just transitioning, how many family lots did you start out the Roman Era with?

I also see some people are adding a heap of new sims, I've added very few new sims but that's possibly because I had so many sims, despite the close relationships, that I've been fairly lucky to get most of them matched up still, and as each generation goes along they're quite happy to be married to their grandfather's brother, or their second cousin etc.

AND is anyone killing off their slaves? ^_^ I remember someone saying they were following that ages ago but I can't remember who, sorry >_< and from what I can see a lot of other people are worried about over population - well there ya go! I was going to stem the baby flow but putting that rule into play makes me want to have more - that's a lot of sims getting the chop in just a few generations! >.<

taliah~

Remember my laptop troubles of just a few days ago?? Well it struck again and this time nothing would bring it back up. So DH and I are sharing the one laptop for the time being. Soooo, I need to restart my neighborhood from the beginning. I've installed up to Seasons, minus Pets. That's the point at which the game starts to lag. I plan to spend the next few days redownloading CC and planning my neighborhood. I'll post status reports as soon as I start playing again!

I haven't hit roman times yet (and i really want to), my first generation is just starting to pair up (as in the first kids are reaching adult and getting married and such) But once I (finally) get there, I've decided on a Hunger Games inspired system for the required deaths.

The system is this:
1) Upon entering child stage, your name is entered once.
2) Every Sunday, your name is entered again even if you aged to child on Saturday. Those who age on a Sunday only go in once.
3) A child or teen aged sim can put his/her name in once a week in exchange for 1000 simoleans.
4) Adult aged sims can put their name in 10 times to raise their immediate family (household) one social class. Orly once per family (can only jump one class) and you can't do it if your parent or grandparent did. Those two rules are my tessare.
5) On Monday morning in the first house of the rotation, the "winner" will be drawn, upon reaching Monday on the "winner's" lot, the "winner" will be killed in the Colosseum. All winner's graves remain on the Colosseum lot. On any lots played before the "winner's" lot, sims may not interact with the winner should he/she walk by if the day is Monday or later.
6) When the "winner" is chosen i will roll a die and if i roll a 4 an older family member (randomly chosen from parents/grandparents/older siblings) will volunteer to take the "winner's" place. The volunteer dies instead and cannot be saved by any means (unless SimGoddess (me) is much too attached to the sim in question. Then another volunteer will be selected)

Rule three will probably get a lot of use in the lower class families (especially if I stop selling off their fish from inventory and instead make them sell it (for really cheap) to the higher classes, who will then sell it at higher prices...) For rule number four, I'll roll a die at the beginning of turn to see if a parent will risk so many entries to make their family's life better. I'll decide on the random number when I actually get to the roman era. For now I should stop fulfilling my Sailor Moon addiction, and stop playing around in my TestHood and get back to playing ToT. Two families to go before the round ends! (Rounds are going to be so long when I have more than just five families. And that's going to happen soon since I'm pretty sure a non eldest is getting married soon. But not 'til next round I think (unless he/she is marrying an eldest. But it has to be an eldest male for them to stay on lot) Let's see, looking at my list Vaughn and Cari, Emerson and Taisha, Gale and Evalista, Ahmed and Joella, and Milo and Jacinda are paired and not yet married. Only Joella is about to be an adult. Ahmed is still a teen (but I have inteen so marrying them whenever is alright) So I either a) marry them at the end of Joella's round and move them out to their own house starting round 9 b) wait until I get to the Marroquin's on round 9, marry them b4 6 pm and move them into their own lot and play it in round 9 or c) wait for the Marroquin's turn, marry them b4 6pm (since that's my own rules to keep ages perfectly in sync) and play them in the Marroquin household for the duration of the round and move them (and any children) to their own house at the end of the round, making a new household for round 10. Decisions decisions.) Well I'm off to sleep. Maybe I'll get some playtime in before I go to work tonight. ~VP

Oh dear, I truly sympathise with you Sandy.
I have just returned home to find *hubby* performed a complete system restore because of a 'viral attack' which prevented the opening of any applications.
He wiped everything,my files, photos... everything! I could have wiped him clean but chose to have a bawling session while giving him the evil eyes
So I am back to square one AGAIN!!

Umm, what expansions are abosolutely REQUIRED to play this challenge?

So look at this the way I am, it gives me the chance to truly download the CC I need before I even start again. Plus, I can attempt to do more planning!

I would say you definitely need Seasons, and highly recommend Open for Business otherwise some eras could get boring, unless you're incredibly imaginative ^_^

@VP that sounds amazing! Totally fits the era I reckon. I'm not going to be killing off a slave sim every 7 days, because with 21 families that could end up wiping out the slave population in one Round! XD I'm going to do the recommended, pop all slave names in a bin and pull one out once a "month" in sim world. I've worked it into the "story" I have ongoing; it's quite funny how I had tried to get one family to become the Emperor all through the Neanderthal Era, ended up being overruled by my own sims, and now it's turned out much more interesting.

Sympathies to the poor souls having to start all over again; I did that once by my own choice, and another thanks to a nasty virus that ate everything on my harddrive and seemed to start with the sims stuff first! Grr! But it's turned out well - 3rd time the charm! I did better starting over, after a few practice runs, and even if I had to start over again now I'd do better still, but it's just half the fun trying to work stuff out. I love the era changes especially, makes everything so very interesting.

taliah~

era changes more fun
 

Taliah - I agree with you about the era changes. I love building the new homes, finding CC clothing and decor and researching the history of the era. Right now I am in the middle of my second generation of Romans getting married so it may be awhile before my next era change. The rules say 4 generations of Romans, but I don't think I can last that long. It is taking me about 2 "real life" months to go through one round with my families. I fear it will get too boring for me if I don't go into the middle ages by the time the third generation has become adults.

I got it! The perfect theme for this challenge! The SimStones! I came across this complete set while downloading things for the Neanderthal age and it started me thinking how I could keep this going through all the eras. So stand by for further developments!

Alright, I'm back. And I'm right in the middle of the transition right now. It's fun (but I'm afraid my laptop disagrees sometimes ^^;; ).
So, I have a total of 15 households at the end of stone age and the beginning of the Roman stage: 1 Emperor's Family, 3 Patricians, 5 Plebians (3 shops, 2 farms) and 6 Slaves.
For now, I won't kill slaves regularly. The slave families are all still very young: Young couples without children, or with very small children. I'm lucky I got those two single teenage slaves the Emperor's family must have according to the rules. Once these families get a little more established and I can spare a few sims, I'm going to send slaves to the coloseum, though.

Suddenly my sims are allowed - or even expected - to take jobs. oO That's so weird. *gg*

Oh, by the way: What do we do if a playable is beaten in a fight by a townie? I was having one of my sims shop for clothes when Lynx Fire came to the lot and started to fight with some random townie. Lynx lost. So would you kill him, or ignore this?

Yuss! I have my weebly back up and running again.


I don' have that problem as I have a mod that allows me to ban NPC's and sims from lots, but in answer to your question, for me personally, I would roll a die.

My 2 cents - Since you cant kill an NPC if they lost I wouldnt kill my playable in this situation.

I'm with Anna. Don't kill Lynx. IMO for this challenge townies are NPCs thus you are not responsible for anything they do, including winning fights against your playables. ~VP

Great. Thanks for your opinions. So I'll write it off as some kind of nightmare he had. However, Tga Kiwi's suggestion to roll a die when in doubt is clever, too. I'll keep that in mind.

Nightmares - a way out of killing sims
 

I love the idea of the nightmare. That way the memory remains, but you don't have to kill anyone off. I might have to save that for a time when one of my favorite Sims would have to die otherwise.

I never liked building until this challenge; and I'm guessing that's because of the history inspiration, makes it a lot of fun. I wish it only took me 2 months per round >.< though I probably shouldn't wish away the challenge I know what you mean! At the moment I'm doing a super run, almost finished one round in 2 weeks O.O but that's not leaving me much else to do LoL I'm on holiday.

I was having a good think about the next era - the Dark Ages oooh broody Vikings are going to be so much fun XD! - I thought I might cut it short too but after all this effort to put in the buildings I'm not too keen to get rid of them either, and as I get further into the Roman Era I'm getting quite attached! >.< I guess I'll just see what happens by the time I reach Gen6.

On the subject of NPCs and Townies - is there a way to kill them off? I'm so over seeing the SAME faces for the last 4 generations; I've aged some of the townies up to make them look different, but I don't want an entire population of Elder townies shuffling around! XD

taliah~

You can kill off all the townies if you can summon them to a lot. Find some way of summoning the townies to whatever lot you want to kill them on. There are several ways to do this, I just can't think of them right now. Then kill them with your method of choice. If you don't have pescado's notownieregen the game will provide you with all new townies, if you do have it, they'll be no pesky townies to bug you anymore. (or in Yuki's case to try and kill out poor playables) ~VP

Good luck Sandy and everyone starting anew, I have in the past blown up many computers! Luckily my husband makes back ups of all my files and has taught me to scan every download before opening. Just by right clicking and scanning before I even unzip, I haven't had problems in over a year! Also investing in a good software has been a life saver. Currently he has gotten me a new computer and I am loving it, especially since my laptop needs repair (darn charger wont charge ... connectors need replacing!) First thing I did was load up a fresh install of Sims and started this challenge!

Sometimes starting over can be stressful, but sometimes it can be rejuvenating. The excitement of building a'fresh with new content. And like Sandy, I love the SimStones content! I cant wait to see what everyone does!!!

VP I love the hunger game mechanics you have devised, bloody brilliant I say!

I have been building some new caves for a plot twist in my ToT hood, so I haven't been playing much the last week. But I do have updates and will be playing in the next few days.

Wow Talia, two months average for a round! Amazing. I hope you are having fun in your Sims spurt! I know I always do, when I go on a tear. lol. I can't wait to see how your hood develops!

I just wanted to check in and say hello everyone. I look forward to peeking in on everyone's websites and updates! Off to do some chores, check in on ToT sites, and play some Sims. Talk to you later and many hugs.

If each generation takes about 6 rounds to complete, at the rate I am going it will take me a year to finish each generation since I am getting more and more family lots in each generation. If the full legacy test of time challenge is 20 generations, I will be in my old age before I finish the challenge and likely the computer will stop working by that time. I may need to start using "boolprop testingcheatsenabled true" and then the "tombstone of life and death" to age up my teens after each generations' fourth round so that as adults they can fall in love and marry sooner. That may help to shorten up each generation by about 2 rounds.

I've also decided to shorten up each historic era by one generation. So neanderthal was two generations, and the third generation became the first Roman generation. Then the roman age will be two more generations and the third generations will become the first generation of the dark ages. Feels like cheating, but I think it will make it more likely that I will make it to the end of the challenge.

Does anyone know of a person who actually finished the complete challenge? How long did it take them?

Oh no now I worked it out at the speed IM going and it's pretty much DOOMED LoL! >.< 3 rounds in the last year makes 2 years per generation, which is... *doesn't have enough fingers to count on* 32-ish years? (will be retired by then) O.O I already have inteenimater which means my teens pretty much are getting jiggy with it already - I'm trying to behave with the upper classes just to mix it up a bit, but one of my Gen4 slave teens is going to have the first Gen5 baby next round - she's naughty >_> Niklaus IS hard to resist though >.<...I had nothing to do with it....honest! *liar* And I just discovered something next to the tombstone of life and death called....*should write this stuff down* Rodney's death chooser? Or something - omg SO funny! It's probably doing irreversable damage to my game, right? =/ anyone want to give me the good news? ^_^ I use it to kill off sims at the Colosseum.

I'm currently 3 families from the end of Round 15 with 22 families and 117 sims with at least 2 known babies on the way O.O how did this happen? I had 95 last round! Crazy. The Colosseum HAS come in to play and as tempting as the Hunger Games idea was *just brilliant* I'm going with one slave sim every 4th family of the round, so that's 5 a round...and the families just keep increasing! I've also added a new lot, plus next round there will be a Harem associated with the Emperor's palace but on it's own lot, and I still want to put in a temple if I can work it somehow.

I remember seeing waaaay back someone mentioning sims in the Medieval & Renaissance era? O.O seriously... that takes dedication in just a few months! Surely they would have finished by now if they'd kept it up. It would be interesting to know if anyone else is even past the Roman Era yet (sorry if I missed that somewhere!).

Must end rambling - I've a round to finish possibly today! *whoosh!*

taliah~

ps: *waves and hugs to nesxya* I'm having a blast! ^_^ It's too much fun! I just hope it's as enjoyable to view as it was to play >.<

I really love this challenge. Probably why I'm neglecting my study to play it. I've never had the attention span to complete any challenge before so starting this was probably a really bad idea but at least the changing themes every few generations should keep me entertained. I have way more girls than boys though and the habit of the little girls to murder their elder brothers isn't helping.

Taliah, I think you're the furthest along. I'm surprised that since this challenge's beginning that noone has finished. Where are they losing interest at? I'm currently installing all the SimStone content I downloaded, then I can restart my neighborhood!

LoL lbsgirl! those poor boys XD I am so on the same page with you challenge wise, nothing else I've ever started, no matter how interesting it seems at the start, has gone on for more than a month or two, this one though just keeps giving!

Good luck with your new neighbourhood Sandy!

It's sometimes hard to tell just exactly where people are at any given time, unless they have websites you can peek in on and they keep that up to date; how about a show of hands? Just for curiosity's sake - what Gen/Era is everyone up to? I'm in the Roman Era, dead centre of Gen3 and 4 (excusing that early Gen5 baby *cough!*).

How much do I love this game?! I had the most interesting development today! There I was with the Braun4 family, amusing myself with my special skin3 sim Eduard who is so apathetic he's pretty much been forced (not that he cares) into marriage by the new girl Cristiana, and the next minute she's calling on the fates to help her catch her man and they're whisked away to a new land to start a whole new arc to the story! WHAT?! XD LoL! And THEN just when I thought the rest of the family would be a breeze - 3 of them die in a fire that took out half the block! Leaving poor little knocked up Elsa half dead on her own! I don't know how this happened but it was FUN! XD

taliah~

*raises hand* I'm in Neanderthal still. I decided my ten starting sims were Gen 0, not Gen 1 so that I'd have a bigger pool come roman times, and Gen 1 is just beginning to reach adulthood.

Right in the middle of the transition to Rome. I've got 3 generations so far.

Actually, I've never seen anyone get past the Roman stage. Have you?
Maybe there are just too many sims after 7 generations, who knows...

*waves* I've one foot in the door to reaching the Roman era, my gen3 teens are 2 days away from reaching adulthood.

You are all so awesome! XD It's fun to see where everyone is up to. Transitioning eras is always exciting, and I'd have to say even seeing each generation reach adulthood to start the next is exciting too.

I'm very intrigued to see how large your Roman starting round is VP with an extra generation I can't imagine... *enormous!*

Good luck to everyone! I'm determined to finish the round today *got distracted yesterday*

taliah~

Look at it this way, the extra generation gives you more choices for marriage without needing to bring in CAS sims.

where are you?
 

Raising hand. In the early stages of my Roman Gen 2 marriages and Gen 3 births. (cough, maybe cause I cheated) I don't think I can last 20 generations as the original rules outline, so I am shortening each era so I can move more quickly. So here is my plan....

Founders - Gen 1
Gen 2 Neanderthal
Gen 3 Neanderthal - they became Roman Gen 1 (as they became adults I started making the architecture changes and determined emperor)

Romans Gen 2
Romans Gen 3 - they will become Dark Ages Gen 1 (when this generation becomes adults I will begin "destroying Rome" and building viking and early Dark Ages home lots - actually plan to move all community lots to my lot bin so I can use later.

Dark Ages Gen 2
Dark Ages Gen 3 - they will become Middle Age Gen 1 (may go the extra few Gens, love the medieval CC here at MTS)

Early Middle Age Gen 2
Early Middle Age Gen 3

Renaissance Gen 2
Rennaisance Gen 3

and so on....

Im still in neanderthral stage ! I havent been spending as much time gaming now that the weather is good. I am not sure how I will ever make 20 gens either lol so I might look at altering the time line as so many of you are doing.

Um yeah, it's going to be enormous. I may have forgotten to pull out my anti SoWo hack, so no kids have been lost to that particular tribe.... And this means there's already a huge population. Each of the five families has at least six kids (most of the time more) and my population according to the SimTacker is sitting at 62. Only one of which is dead b/c one of my kids hit aspiration failure and attacked her sister. So the loosing sister is now deceased. If i ever get around to finishing the current round i'll update my website with that news. So yeah, Gen1 has 52 sims, one of which is dead and six (i believe, it might be only five and I'm to lazy to load the Tracker again) of which at plantsims spawns so don't entirely count.

I"m still undecided about letting my plantsim couples breed. I might just let them spawn a plantbaby or two b/c I've discovered that plantsims make the best fishermen in the world. And since I'm selling off all fish but bass since no one is getting enough cooking skill to cook anything else, the more plantsims in a family, the richer they become. My Tavares family is looking to become the richest family around. They've two spawned plantsims, plus one that recelty married in, and if that couple produces two plantbabies... plus the fact that my two elders on that lot (Jae and Santo of Gen0) are plantsims... Yeah the Tavares' look to be well on their way to becoming the ruling family. You know i should probably start keeping track of funds and household worth now. Especially seeing how I'm about to be starting a lot of new households soon... ~VP

You know, I keep hearing about plantsims but I've never had one crop up. How do you get one?

Excessive use of pesticide. If you use ladybug houses you'll never see them.

Since pesticide wasn't available to the earliest farmers I don't know how so many neanderthals turn into them.

Sim-magic? Mine didn't have ladybug houses for quite a few rounds so several of my founders became one with nature in order to not lose their crops. Two of my females got cures, one immediately and the other after she gave birth as plantsim pregnancies are so much easier to deal with. ~VP

A Wizard Dit It. ^^
But honestly, in RL we also use self-made aphid repellants. The smell of nettles that have incubated in water for several days is quite likely to turn me green...
Or maybe our cave sims had some nice shamanic ritual at their hands? Where are our sims archeologists?

On another note, I just had my first appearance of Squiggly Lines of Doom. -.- It's not even been 4 generations and I followed the anti-BFBVFS rules from the beginning: clean template, no deleted sims etc. I do have backups, but who knows when the corruption occurred?

I want to say I never had a plantsim but that makes me think I have =/ and the more I think about it, I'm pretty sure I had at least one; often I just ignored the bugs or got the kids/teens to deal with them since they don't turn. It wasn't until the Roman Era I started using ladybug houses, seems more realistic than spray >.< why I didn't use them before I do not know *shaking head at self*

I'm curious - what are the squiggly lines of doom? O.O

taliah~

Ah, you know, these strange vertical lines in speech bubbles or thought bubbles that sometimes are shown instead of an actual image. It's a sign of neighborhood corruption.

Not always. Most of the time it just means the topic doesn't have an associated icon. This can easily happen without neighborhood corruption. Relax.

Oooh so YukiShine's sims are talking about naughty things not fit for viewing

Can't recall just now ever having such a thing, unless it's something like my poor postman going white with weird black and red text all over him, but I know that was just a minor glitch and he lives to deliver mail another day!

Hopefully it rights itself all good Yuki

taliah~

What expansion packs are essential to this challenge? I've got Seasons, University and Freetime.

You would also need to add Open for Business.

Right. I initially thought maybe it was possible without OfB, but in Medieval & Rennaissance there's a class that cannot have income from anything except shops.
The other must-have expansion pack for this challenge is, of course, Seasons. Everything else is optional.

@ Peni: Well, if a speech bubble topic can't be associated with an icon, I'd take that as a "Something's wrong here..." ^^ But a few squiggly bubbles won't make me give up on such an awesome challenge. Meh, I remember my very first neighborhood I ever played: In the end everyone was gossiping about nothing but squiggly lines. It was pretty annoying, yes, but still playable.
As for my ToT neighborhood Elmekia: I've had the HoodChecker remove a few invalid relations and I've fixed a few memories myself in SimPE. That should slow down whatever corruption there might be. My sims are getting used to their new names and outfits in the meantime. I'm so looking forward to actually play in my brand new Roman setup. ^^

Hello everyone ! I actually managed to play a sim day last night. That brings me to the end of this round so now I just have to find the desire to do an update and I will be back on track. It looks like you are all moving along nicely with most people in the Roman era now? snow-destiny since it takes a few rounds to get back the beginning stage you could easily start the challenge without OFB. Seasons would be the most important EP I would think since you need the fishing and farming at the start. I hope you will give it a go and let us know how you make out. ST has sent me an update to the rules so when I get some time I will be updating the main post. I believe she mentioned something about money changes but I havent read thru them yet.

PS - I have updated the rules per ST

Question? Does anyone think my neighborhood may have corrupted itself if one of my founding mothers (now an elder) had an "affair" with her teenaged son? She cuddled up to him in bed (and that's all that happened. She had been asleep until her husband's entrance woke her up) and her husband found them. I have Inteen, but i don't think i have anything that would allow incest b/c although they are only pixels, that's just yucky. ~VP

Thats just wrong even in caveman days ! I couldnt imagine a hack would allow that but I dont play with hacks so maybe it could ! Does she have Alzheimer's? Maybe she thinks her son is her husband as a young man?

I have no idea. I used the SimBlender to check relationships and she still has "set as child" (or whatever that says) greyed out for him which means that's the one set. I'm going to make it a rule now that anyone teen and over sharing a bed with another teen and over must be of the same gender. then this won't ever happen again. I've never had anything like this happen before, but then usually my teens have their own bed (and room) to sleep in instead of a one room hut where beds are first come, first served,~VP

I always got annoyed when kids would choose the adults bed to sleep in when they had a perfectly useable single bed for themselves and they would get so pissy when the parent would even SIT on the bed while they were in it lol maybe it wasnt such a bad thing now that I think about it.

Sims 3 version?!
 

I LOVE the idea of this challenge and have been building a world for my starting sims for the last week or so, only to discover today that this whole time it was a SIMS 2 challenge, not SIMS 3!

Does anyone know of a similar challenge for 3? If not, I'm sure it can be adapted easily enough...


Also- if enough people like the idea, I'll have no problems sharing the island world I'm creating once it's done)

And, any ideas on where specific jobs would fit into the ages? I'm thinking nobody was babysitting each other's children or styling each other until Roman...

Babysitting would be ubiquitous - leave the smallest kids with grandma while you go out gathering with your sisters-in-law and the big kids. And there's evidence of personal adornment all the way back to the Neanderthals.

challenge adapted to Sims3
 

I love the idea that someone using Sims3 is joining the challenge. Most of us have made some adaptations to the rules. We just "justify" our decisions by researching the age we are in. I agree with Peni that jewelry and babysitting and other things probably started with the earliest cave families. The original challenge rules limited the cave people from having any jobs. The only thing most of us did was farming and fishing until the Roman age. But, it's up to you if you find a job that would make sense for cave people.

Oedipus comes to mind My sims do this all the time, I have Inteen too and ACR, nothing comes of it, it generally happens when my sims woohoo thanks to ACR and then one leaves the bed, and if anyone else gets into bed with the other still sleeping sim they curl up together, regardless of age or relationship. The first time it happened to me was with a father and teenage son that hated each other and I was like O___o what the...?!

I do wonder why the kids are SO against sleeping with their parents (platonically I mean =/ ) like Anna says, the parent just has to sit on the bed and the kid grumbles and gets up regardless of how much they are friends with them =_= *shaking head at them* and then the teens don't care either way >_> Sims are most amusing ^__^

taliah~

Ok so it is a ACR/Inteen combo thing then? 'Cause I have both and Alaine was sleeping after having had woohooed by ACR with Devon. Devon had gotten up b/c he's a plantsim thus needs no sleep and Roscoe filled his spot. At least I know it's not my game going completely bonkers.

On a side note, I finally got around to finishing the round and have tried several times to start Round Nine (of which I've changed the length of again. I'm doing a long five day round again 'cause that will put all but four of the kids to age teen or higher thus enabling me to get them paired off and started on the next generation. There's going to be alot of weddings in rounds nine and ten). My problem is that I'm trying to get Adah Tavares married to Giovanni Marroquin. By my own rules to keep ages consistent, Adah needs to marry Giovanni by six pm on the first day of the round. So Ahmed, whom she's friends with, invites her over, she and Giovanni spend the morning getting to the engaged point (and I've cheated their relationship up to do this. I'll put it back down to merely friends after the marriage. I consider this to be an arranged marriage due to Adah already being an adult and I'm not letting her waste five days in which she could have (conceivably) almost two pregnancies done with.) The problem comes around noon when I send her home and invite her back with her household so they can witness the wedding. i think I'm inviting too many sims over for my computer to handle. I think this time around (this will be try three) I'll invite over Adah, her parents, Teresia, Reuben, and the twins Celeste and Carson. The reasoning for those guys: well obviously Adah's the bride; her parents should be able to "see her off"; Teresia gets to come b/c Giovanni is her brother, and Reuben b/c he's married to Teresia; and the twins (who age to teen near the beginning of round ten) b/c I'm matchmaking Celeste and Mervin Marroquin (who ages to teen on the last day of round nine). I figure they can meet now and I can be sure i won't have to do the arrange thing like I'm dong now. And yeah the Marroquins and the Tavares' are doing a lot of swapping for spouses. I only just now realized that.

I'm going to stop babbling now and go either a) get my pictures ready to put on my website then do so, or b) try to get Adah and Giovanni married again. Hopefully third time's the charm. ~VP

I guess that means I could technically have an architect too, lol...

But I think that's a bit much.

Babysitting it is, then!

So haven't played yet, so I haven't attempted to marry off Adah and Giovanni for the third time. I did however update my website with Round Eight. I also got rid of the annoying picture on the side that I never get around to changing. The only one left is on the home page b/c i will change that one eventually. Now I'm going to go play my game. Which shall be made that much more fun by the fact that I should be working right now, but called off tonight. ~VP

wants
 

Just checked out your site. I love that you let the sims have what they wanted even if it wasn't what you planned. It created a little drama in everyone's lives, didn't it?

Click Here for Roman Gen 2 - Rounds 5-6 HIghlights
I spent some time this morning adding my Roman Gen 2 - Round 6 highlights. I notice that the Romance sims are causing a little drama of their own.

Still need to create the Gen 3 family pages for my photos and more detailed highlights. Hope to sit out on the balcony today and do that while I soak up some of that glorious sunshine.

cespencer7- your notes are awesome!

How great to see Sims being used in a way the game was truly designed for- playing out all of history!

It's not too late for me to take my own field note, a very exciting thought!

I'm back after being distracted by other games for a while, and I have something I want y'all's opinion on.

To start things off, one of my sims accidently died. By 'accidently' I mean I forgot to puase the game and went afk, and when I got back she had died of hunger. She was 5 hours away from giving birth at the time. DX Being the type of person that I am, I decided NOT to exit without saving. Her husband went on to marry one of the Gen 2 plantbabies.

Cut to a few rotations later. One of my other families recieved a genie lamp from the gypsy. Lo and behold I notice the resuurect sim option and the previously mentioned dead sim's name is there. In a moment of...well I dont know, I decided to ressurect her.

Here's my question, was I bad for doing this? I didn't see anything about the lamp in the rules... Also, should I try to set her up again with her previous husband? Strangely, she has no memory of him or their son; only their daughters. Her lifebar is reset as well, but I feel too weird about marrying her to one of the Gen 2 boys. Though I do have a SERIOUS girl shortage (As a side note, the baby she had was a girl, which made not regret rezzing her at all). Should I suck it up and marry her to one of the Gen 2 boys, get her back with her husband or what? I'd really like some opinions.

LoL Shebly I've done that, except no sims died, they just did BETTER without my influence! Am I a bad god-hand?

It's more fun when "accidental" things happen so no stress! From what I've read nobody here seems to be following the rules "exactly" they're more of a "guideline" so however you want to interpret/twist/mutilate beyond recognition is entirely up to you. Which includes setting the sim up with her previous husband, since it's obvious she's suffering amnesia from her time in the other world. And as for girl shortages - have the men fight to the death! mwahaha ...ok so >_> that might be extreme for some... not for me! fight fight! *adjusting crooked halo*

I just finished updating my super round 15 where I actually lost count of how many sims died =/ I think it was 7.... maybe... and I also have an extraordinary amount of girls (fight! fight!) But it was so much fun! XD On to round 16, which is round 4 for the Roman Era *_* it's so exciting!

taliah~

Bad god-hand? Any of us? No of course not. *ignores the fact that during normal play, any sim who annoys me too much soon meets with the Grim Reaper* As long as our pixel-y creations still worship us (and they should since we control what items they can use, who they get to marry and other stuff) how can we be bad? *straightens halo upon the devil horns that keep it from falling down* ~VP

Well, the problem ended up resolving itself, lol. I moved the rezzed sim, River, and her new baby back into the house with her former husband, Thom, and his new wife, Niphredil(at least I think that's how I spelled it :x). River immedeately went to interact with Thom, and their relationship went from nothing straight to 90/90 besties with one interaction. She then flirted with Thom in front of Niphredil, which led to a slap fest. DX I decided to move Niphredil and her children out before things got too out of hand; but before she could even get to the paper she gave birth to twins! I could not make that sht up sims are so great that way. Thom and River are happily married again with their 5th child on the way. So far Niphredil hasn't been over to kick the trashcan but I figure its only a matter of time...

Lol, Taliahneth, quit giving me ideas! You're making me want to have the remaining boys all have a death match for the last remaining girl, lol. BTW, I love the buildings your sims use, can I get them for download anywhere?

Thank you Shebly ^_^ Unfortunately I can't seem to get the buildings uploaded anywhere (sims either =/) my game doesn't want to connect, and I'm not really savvy enough to get technical so they'll have to remain admired from afar. The best I can offer is on my website there is a "Collections" tab and the first link on that page is to pictures of the Roman Buildings; it might help you build them yourself...? A lot of the wall patterns I use that aren't maxis are from Parsimonious. Omg @_@ I remember getting lost in that website for 3 days *_* cc downloading heaven.

I'm glad your problem sims righted themselves! They do tend to do that on occasion, good little simmies.

taliah~

PS: death match death match death match LoL ^_^

Omg I love Parsimonious too. I rediscovered the furniture section the other day...and that's all I'm going to say about it lol.

I'm possibly the worst builder there is :x. My sims live in boxes or things that vaguely resemble trailors. Those pics might be able to help me tho if I can't find any buildings to download. The building of yours I like the most is the colliseum, it's so cool.

I had far too many girls at one point but since most of them died my only problem now is that one of my larger families has several children who lost potential spouses and there's no one left but each other so I may have to kill them off but I can't be bothered. When it comes to killing sims when they loose a fight do you kill them with or without excess cheating? I generally just kill them off.
I have a slight problem though as I'm still in Neanderthal but my richest family is my favorite skin 1 family (not on purpose), and my other skin one family is my poorest family. So the richer family has two sons one of which will become emperor later.One is at this point the heir and my best looking male sim in his generation, he's already married to a skin 3 girl. They have a few kids. His younger brother is my ugliest sim this generation so I don't want him to be emperor but he's betrothed to the only available skin 1 girl who likes him. I'm considering getting the older brother married to the skin 1 girl so I can keep to my policy of having the eldest be the heir and keep my direct lines pretty but I'd have to deal with his wife first what would you guys do?

I use moderate cheating to kill my fight losers off (I've had 2). I put them in a doorless room and surround them with fire jets and flammable objects; none of which would have been around in caveman days lol.

I'd keep him married to the s3 girl. Who says she can't be emperess?

I spawn Rodney's Death Creator to kill off sims.

As to the s1/s3 couple. I agree with Shebly. Let them stay together and make your oldest emperor. You can always breed the s3 out of the line. ~VP

I cheat big time to kill my sims off *total cheater* there used to be a serious fly problem (tombstone of life and death) until I discovered Rodneys Death Creator *_* oh the joys... and just in time for my Colosseum Death Matchs too. *super fun* with over 100 sims floating around the neighbourhood I don't have the patience or the space to watch them die slowly =_= it always struck me how easily sims die... until you want them to, and then suddenly it takes them DAYS! Ha! No more slacking on dying for my simmies.

I feel your pain lbsgirl! At the end of the Neanderthal Era I was quite partial to my first Skin1 family but then they were so cheerful and merry and (basically boring) that they were beaten out of the post by the other S1 family who kept having deaths which resulted in large amounts of money =/ I decided to go with the second family anyway, and I'm glad I did as they're turning out heaps of fun! (and I'm slowly killing them off accidentally on purpose) Although I'm partial to a few "pretty" sims, especially the boys XD they're so cute! "Ugly" (and I use that term generally coz it's up to the individual to decide if their sims are ugly or not) sims make things interesting, as the Face1 thing can get dull and confusing after a while =/ my favourite face at the moment is Thorbin (Faulkner2 if you wanna go find him on the website under Families) - he's just got this NOSE right?! I love it! I'm paying close attention to see how many generations it lasts; it's just so unique.

The colosseum was the first thing I built Shebly I like how it turned out too. Until this challenge I never really tried at building, the houses just never seemed to come out right so I did the whole box/trailer thing too, I used historical websites with building plans from Ancient Rome for inspiration, and though most of the buildings took me HOURS it was well worth the effort to see my sims frolicking around their playgrounds~

I'm only on the 4th round in the Roman Era but they go so long now it feels like I've been here forever! Last month I didn't want to rush it because then I'd have to build a whole new neighbourhood, but now I'm excited to get to the next era; I was thinking I might cut it down to 2 generations per round so that it doesn't take me 20 years to get through. I'm on Gen 3 now, which means Gen 5 will be the starters for the next era, but as I already have a Gen 5 baby on the way (I know I know I'm one sick puppy) I think I might go by "rounds" as each generation is about six rounds; I'm in Round 16 now, Round 19 would be the official start for Gen 4, and Round 25 for Gen 5.

O.O ...ya'll got a cuppa tea before sitting down to read this, didn't ya? XD I better go play some sims now.

taliah~

Excellent idea! Yay, I'll do that to.
Counting generations is getting a bit ineffective with time. I don't even do inter-generation marriages (yet :D), but the generations themselves spread so far now... Counting rounds instead should make things easier. Thanks!

I'm making sure to have plenty of early babies at the moment, those are the only ones I'm fond of as they're the ones who let me get into the next round. For example my oldest gen three baby is almost a teen but she'd be no where close if she wasn't born too early. I know I really shouldn't be trying to rig the Emperor next round but I have realized that I actually have four candidates, the one I didn't realize I had before is a moderately wealthy sink 1/2 couple with a few sons already their one of my funnest families to play and their sons are old enough to be teens when the era changes. This challenge is now officially the one I've stuck to the longest! Since my gen 3 are almost adults I've spent more time on this than it should take to complete a legacy!

Also I've recently found this wedding arch that lets sims marry regardless of relationships its really good and its really affected how I play this challenge. Those poor sims who were killed by their would be spouses

Just started
 

This is my first real challenge and post!

I have some spare time, so I thought I'd give this challenge a try. I have made all my couples and downloaded the flintstone collection to add some realness to my game.

I have got the 1st couple with child (day 1)

I am rubbish at taking photos etc and haven't got a web- site but am going to try to set that up so I can post you all pictures.

I don't know if its in the rules but I am going to play each family for a week (sim time) to give each one a fair opportunity....

I dont have seasons so am not fishing but downloaded Echo's farming stuff and making money from that
Lets see what happens.
SJ

I'm a few teens growing up from starting the Roman rounds... how do you all determine the length of a 'round'? I have one adult who is from the original starting generation- but he was born last and so is the same age as the gen 3 kids even though he's technically gen 2.

Being that I'm using sims 3 for this challenge, all the stupid simmies keep living while I'm not playing them, so they spend their money, end up with cars and random expensive books in their inventory that they could never afford- thank goodness for the familyfunds cheat, or they'd all be independently wealthy for no reason! It is handy to be able to design items in-game though, so everyone is currently wearing tweed and leather, no bright fabrics, etc...

They also never harvest their gardens on their own- so I've been playing a different family every day to make them learn things. Did have one anomaly where I sim I hadn't played for a few days ended up with the inventing skill... but I built my own world for this and there's nowhere she could have learned it!

Frogsnack, I can't even imagine trying this challenge with The Sims 3, kudos to you! I had to laugh at your sims ending up with cars and random stuff tho lol. Is there any way to make it to where they don't keep living when you arent there? Are they still having kids even tho you're gone?

My challenge is going...well its going lol. I had another death due to afk without pausing the game, this time by fire. No idea how the other sim on the lot survived, but her aspiration is completely bottomed out which makes her a danger to all the other teens in the hood. I've already had 2 fight deaths don't want any more this early!

I'm already up to 20 households, and the first member of gen 3 is just a toddler. I somehow managed the avoid the bear/Sowo tribe despite numerous close calls. The 'so and so is skin and bones' and 'so and so is too hot' pop ups aren't even cause for concern any more lol.

I hear ya *shaking head at self* to think I could have completed a simple legacy already, when I have one going and it's not even Gen 2! XD I've never managed one - why is that? There is something with this ATOT challenge that I can't even find the word for it! Some sort of sim-hypnosis?! I have other things I should be doing... really... no really... *continues playing atot*

Good going pioneer_gal! I hope it goes well for you. This challenge is lots of fun XD

I don't know how you're managing with TS3 Frogsnack O.O I tried a while ago, starting with just one family, but when the kids moved out it just got chaotic, though that in itself is a lot of fun, frustrating when they whiz around in cars they got from WHERE exactly?! LoL. I can't even think what it is now =/ there are neighbourhood options under settings where you can turn things like - advancement and stuff off *yeah sounds real technical here* XD not that it stops them really, at least I found they still got cars and jobs. I guess the easiest option would be to play each family for a week? Because I'm playing in sims2 with seasons my "round" for each family is "one season".

taliah~

PS: ahh I kind of miss the bear :lovestruc

Honestly I've lost so many children to the social worker that although i had fairly few deaths and each family had 6+ kids I now only have 8 families even though all gen 2 kids are adults. I must admit I've started saving and exiting especially when it gives me the warning five game minutes before the kids get taken but I suppose its good to not have many families.

I'm tempted to download a no social worker mod but the Neanderthal era really should have an infant morality rate and I don't want too big a population.

I think the reason this challenge can captivate me for such a long time is the diversity it offers. You can play it like the normal game without jobs or modern technology and there is always building and stuff to do. Since I only recently started playing sims 2 again, the addition of another expansion pack every now and again helps too.

taliah... yea I tried the 'suppress opportunities' and other whatchamacallit from the option panel and they still end up with the books (maybe because there's no bookshelves yet? But they end up with foreign novels worth 1 or 2k each like The 'Chalice of Nectar')..Should be interesting when I hit Roman and some of them aren't allowed to go to school- I would think while I'm not playing them they'll still go.

Shelby- I have a definite handicap when it comes to childbearing (I'm considering lengthening the baby or toddler lifespan to be really long so that a generation of kids can be born the same age- I have 4 male children and 1 female- but 5 young adult women and only 2 men... Finally had to introduce a CAS variable to have someone who wasn't related too... All the sims that have enough happiness points are getting 'fertility treatment' right away (Which is 2 people so far lol)

Pioneer- pics of the Flintstones collection would be funny. Too bad you have to start there though and it can't just be an early civilization (I guess one could swap out Egyptian or Chinese for Roman if it really mattered).

It is pretty funny that even neandrethals get to slack off. With nothing fun in the house they end up looking out the window. Too bad no EPs have the sewing machine from TS2, I'd have a house full of potholders...

Ibsgirl- can't you readopt all those kiddies into other families? Or you could start a peter pan story later and have all the lost boys you'd ever need. (And diversity is why I like it too)


Below; Edward and Holly Fahadeen (first couple of Gen 2 to marry), pictures of Sandsteps Isle (So far it seems too small for this challenge, and has only 3 community lots (set to no visitors until Roman), but if it proves itself in TOT I'll upload it), and last is the death of a Progenitor... may flowers ever grow on him.

Pioneer_gal welcome to the challenge. I play each family for one "season" and then move onto the next family. It works well since I can easily see when I have to move.
VP thank you for Rodneys death creator !!! I just downloaded it last nite. It is awesome ! I am one of those who really stays away from boolprop tho I am sure it is fine if you know what you are doing - I dont lol.
cespencer7 you are moving along nicely ! I think I must play too slowly
Frogsnack it is so neat to see the sims3 pics. I havent and probably wont make the leap to that game so I have no idea about it!

I lost quite a few kids to SoWo until I learned that as soon as the "too hot" warning popped up, I could use the SimBlender to reset their temperature and avoid loosing them. I try to keep them cool other ways and only use that in emergency.

Frogsnack, you've just shown me why I'm not getting TS3 or TSM. I don't want things progressing without me seeing it!

TTFN!

anna: I didn't realize there was download for it... So i had to check that out. Usually i just spawn one with boolprop when needed since i play with testing cheats enabled. However if I didn't, that would be at the top of my download list. And boolprop isn't all too scary. Play around with it in a testhood for a while before using it in a neighborhood that matters though until you know what things do. It's insanely handy for its ability to let you alter a sim's mood by dragging the needs bars up and down and to alter sim relationships so that two sims can get married w/o a hacked wedding arch (not that that was done recently in my hood *coughGiovanniAndAdahcough*) or other relationship related stuffs. I cheat constantly when not in challenges. I try not to do so while playing a challenge but obviously I do it on occasion anyway. ~VP

Any of y'all have a link to that hacked wedding arch? It sounds like something I would be interested in having.

Sandy, I used the Sim Blender for that reason once as well lol. The other times I made them drink water and lay on the bench till they cooled down, that always seems to do the trick as long as you catch it before they have a heat stroke. If that happens the Sowo comes no matter what...that;s when it's good to have all family sim parents with the 'plead for child' perk unlocked. It has saved my sorry butt countless times. Not sure if it would be considered cheating, but I made all my founders family sims and gave them that perk. Plus, having them all be family sims made it much easier when it came to the 'have a million babies' part. Some of the contrary idiots still had break downs from fears of having babies...then would actually roll a want for a baby after their break down! Not that I blame them for getting sick of it all, all my families had at least seven pregnancies (one managed to squeeze in an 8th and one couple is still going cuz the wife's life bar was reset when she was brought back to life).

Shebly here's the link. It should take you to the right post (Inge edited the original one after marhis gave up on it, or sims not sure which right now) All the info you need is on the first page of the thread.

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/s....html#msg349456