may be you know why it is like this...
i use mesh with body and tail also only body, i combine them with your toolkit and asigned bones
and i get this... what is wrong?

I plugged everything into the new version of Toolkit and got out some beautiful morphs with all of their bones assigned. Nicely done Cmar, I swear this is one of the tools I'd pay for if I had to. I couldn't mesh without it.
Odd that the problem was with the reference mesh -- it was one of my working meshes I've used in the past to copy bones from and create lower lod's (at least I thought it was anyway). Whatever happened, it's all more gooder now! Once I finish the lod's and save it with TSRW I'll let ya know how it does with ID'ing those pesky anonymous files.

If you mean the Conversion Tools tab, all those are for converting pet meshes to a form that's compatible for editing in Milkshape without losing the second set of UV data. Pet meshes have two UVs and this takes one of them and stores the information in another field and then converts it back. At some point I'll do a tutorial on how to do this - it's pretty confusing even for me. I wrote that stuff mostly for myself for a project I was working on but it may be useful for other people too.



I worked a little with someone else doing a blanket who had similar problems. I think the problem is that the Auto-bone assigns bones to the belly since those are the closest vertices, and then the bottom of the blanket morphs along with the belly. You could try making the blanket mesh shorter (just scale it smaller in the Y axis and move it up), export and do the Auto-bone, import it again to MS, scale it back to full size, and move it to the right position. It's worth a try.

BTW, for your long mane, you could try the same thing - scale it short, do the bone assignments, then scale it down long again.

thanks, i will try.
but there is one problem< when i use autobone i get 44 bones for example.
when i import then export from milkshape i get 32 bones... so it is not good...
i have the latest dll for milkshape... but i use wso not geom... Do I need to use the geom instead wso?

about Conversion Tools
i have try to use it... but i didn't like that it use geom.... because i use wso more =)))
1. i have converted geom with save UV using your tool
2. i have converted geom to wso using your tool
3. i got the object same that imported from tsrw =))

what difficult is between keep uv1 save uv 2 and keep uv2 save uv 1? %(
is this tool help me to finish my creating devil tail for cats? =)))

The WSO import/export may not be keeping all the bones. A lot of the pet bones are new. Have you checked to see if there's a new version of the WSO Milkshape plugin? Since they're doing horse meshes now i would think they've updated it. It would just be worse with GEOM for the same reason, since the import/export plugins are badly out of date.

For accessories like a blanket you shouldn't need to worry about the two UV sets. For a mane, I don't know. The difference between the options in the conversion tools is just what it says - you can keep the first UV set in the mesh as the UV and save the second in a converted form, or keep the second set as the UV and save the first in converted form. Then later you convert the saved set back to a UV. And yes, for a cat tail you probably need to do this. I really have to write that tutorial.

yes... you have to... i need it =)))
tsrw did horse meshes earlier... but i will check new version dll one more

UPD: i have updated dll but get the same results... bones count has decreased

Yeah, I'm getting the same thing. Unfortunately I can't do anything about the WSO plugins. You could try posting over at the TSRW forums - I got them to add my fix for tangent normals to the latest version that way so they do pay attention to those forums.

For your reference mesh, did you use a horse body you combined using Milkshape or using Toolkit? If you used Milkshape it seems likely some of the bones are missing or messed up. I've attached the horse body I put together with Toolkit - for some reason I haven't figured out it's got a different number of bones in the base mesh and the morphs, but that shouldn't matter for Auto-bone.

i combined it with your toolkit
i have made blanket shoter but i have problem with only back right side...
and no matter how much it is short

Can you upload the blanket mesh?

sent pm (long mesh)

It's both sides. The blanket bones are assigned to the legs, so the blanket moves with the leg. You're seeing the right side in CAP because the horse is posed with the right leg forward. There's nothing Toolkit can do about it, I'm afraid. Have you tried changing the bone assignments in Milkshape? I know it'll remove some of the bones but maybe it'll look okay?

i noticed they updated the plugin dll's, might have gone something wrong.
Try the older ones?

CmarNYC
i have tried changing the bone assignments without toolkit, but it did not make a smooth...too much bones =(

BloomsBase
how old they should be?

I just tried out "Name Those Files" under the Package Tools tab in the unreleased Toolkit. VERY nice! I'm going to get plenty of use out of that one for sure. Will it be released soon? I'll update the post in the meshing forum as soon as people have access to it!

I want to include an 'Add morphs to package' before releasing it - assuming metro NYC has no power outages during Sandy, should be sometime next week. Been spending my time on Skininator (CC skintones) but getting close to wrapping it up.

I only use this for TS2 (thanks, Bloom), but this is excellent, brilliant, and a huge help in making morphs and assigning bones. Thank you very much!

I could be way off here, but it seems to me a logical thing to add to Toolkit would be an east fix for the waist seam issue. If Milkshape is responsible for the problem, could Toolkit possibly identify all the misplaced vertices at the waist, "snap" them into the proper location, assign the normals, and then fix the tangents all at once? If the problem is caused by a rounding error, the vertices won't be very far from their proper location -- possibly even always moved to the same incorrect location. Just a thought. That darn seam drives me crazy and I have WAY too much CC from lots of creators where it's visible.
I'm afraid I don't have the smarts to do any coding myself. The last time I wrote any code the popular languages were Cobol, Pascal, and Fortran. SAMOS was the stepping stone to machine language -- nothing like what its become today!

One of the things I want to add is a troubleshooter, and one of the things it could look for and correct is the waist seam thing. BTW, it's not the location of the vertices that's off, it's the bone assignments. The tool could have the standard sets of vertex data for each age/gender and apply them.

That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about! I know you keep busy with all kinds of projects -- the Toolkit is the one I've taken such an interest in because I use it so often. I'll keep looking for updates to that FM tool as they come out.
BTW, I just got hold of a massive package with 180 different items in it. If it weren't for the Package Tools in V1.2.0.4 I'd never have been able to track down the essentials for the 2 or 3 specific items I was looking for.

Amazing!!!
Really good to use
Thank you a lot!!!

this is a very very helpful

I just wanted to say, thank you very, very much. Something like this is invaluable and I really am appreciative of the generosity in sharing this. Thank you!

Thanks! BIG Thanks ^^

Oh wow... This toolkit fixes all the TSR importing problems that have plagued me for the last several hours! (First time meshing accessories) ^^ Great post!

Hello. Can I lengthen a hair with this tool? Thanks.