If yes, where is this setting located?

If no, is there a way to stop inactives from autonomously moving their houseboats around Isla Paradiso?

I tried deleting the houseboat steering wheel thing from every inactive houseboat, but they just respawned and I felt foolish.

Yep. I used control + shift -> delete on them all, thought that would be the end of them moving, and then at some point when I wasn't looking the steering wheel things respawned... but not in the places they were before. They always respawned at the "front" of the houseboat. Sometimes this actually blocked sims from getting out and created a whole new nightmare of lag for me.



Hesitant to do that since routing errors are already a problem for the town.

After posting this, I installed retuner, got the menu to show up on the steering wheel, and... seems like everything I want blocked is already set as blocked (allow autonomous = false). So maybe that's the default setting with retuner? Does anyone know? I'm looking around on the mod's site but I can't see any reference to this.

I'll keep an eye on it. If none of my neighbors' houseboats moves around for a while, I guess it worked...

Retuner doesn't actually change any tunings or settings just by virtue of being installed. It's a user interface into the ITUN file data that already exists in-game. So if something is True, False, or set to 42, green, or whatever, by default upon installing the mod, then that's the way it existed prior to the mod being present. Or, at least that's how things are supposed to work in an otherwise perfect world as the expression goes.

Well then... my confusion intensifies.

Inactives were definitely moving their houseboats before.

Keeping the mod in though. Two gameplay hours in and I already never want to go without. No more flamingo kicking. <3

I wonder if maybe you have or had another mod that was pushing or allowing the houseboat moves (and hence the surprise respawning of the boat steering controls)? Retuner loads usually last in the sequence of mods after the game starts up, not during, so it will tend to trump tunings set by other forces -- in this case with default settings, but thus possibly overriding something else in play.

@igazor I don't think I had any mods pertaining to houseboats, but since my experience has been different from others, I too assume something's up in my mods folder.

I do have a lot of QoL mods ("children can..." series, No Crappy Bunk Beds, No Autonomous Royal Court, etc). Now I'm wondering if retuner will overwrite most of them? I have not had time to test yet.

Dumb question... does Retuner do anything to immigration? I didn't think it would, but ever since I put retuner in, big families of homeless vanilla face sims have been showing up in my town (I have immigration disabled in SP). Same last name, two adults and several children of varying ages. Overwatch runs these homeless families off eventually. There are others that show up as homeless if I check their Status with MC, too, but they don't show up in large family batches OR ever get destroyed by Overwatch for some reason. That second group has always been an issue in my saves (I just Totally Annihilate them when I happen to see them roaming), but the whole families thing is new. I'm wondering what I have done to cause it.

Retuner should be embracing what the Children Can... mods do, not overwriting it.

Er no, not that I know of on the immigration question. Are you sure these sims aren't Tourists from another world your sims have visited? SP doesn't immigrate homeless sims, it only immigrates residents. If it can't find suitable housing for them, then the immigration process fails an we never see the sims trying to get into town. But with SP immigration off, then even that wouldn't be happening.

Do these sims ever seem to pick up a purpose for being in your game, like do they become Service, Role Sims, any careers for the YAs and older?

Also worth mentioning, I never use OW's Cleanup the Homeless nor SP's Manage the Homeless functions. I prefer to manage my relatively small homeless population of mostly commuters myself and would catch sudden strange additions to it if they occur. There's always going to be the occasional street performers thanks to Showtime, but with the Showtime careers and its three skills disallowed those only happen very slowly in my worlds now and usually aren't much to take action on.

Inspecting their status with MC, the ones currently in town all have the service jobs and seem alone (no family connections). I didn't get a chance to check the last big family before I nuked them. I didn't have much of a chance to play today but squeezed in as much game time as I could to see if another family would appear... and they didn't, just to spite me.

I just noticed I can set "pool size" to 0 on resort workers and other service sims with Register; would that get rid of some of them? What would happen when they're needed, in that case, like if I set the mail carriers to 0 would I stop getting mail, or would an NPC spawn anyway to bring the mail, or would mail just appear in the mailbox without the postal worker? If I set the mascot pool to 0, could I finally be rid of the mascot invasion every time a teen ages up to YA?

Err, no. The service pools provide sims with service assignments standing by (usually off the map in hibernation) so new sims don't have to spawn when services are required. If set to 0 there may be no spares, but homeless NPCs will still spawn for service assignments as they are needed, it may just take a bit longer each time. NRaas Register provides some controls here, though still 0 isn't going to suppress the service. A bit more of a mod is required to suppress the Uni Mascot entirely. Not asked about specifically, but Register does have a popular option to suppress the Paparazzi.

I see. Thanks for clarification!



Nabbed it, thanks!

Try removing or transmogrifying the water. I mean hey, it would work in the real world (kind of).

So digging through the gameplay file. I pulled all the ones pertaining to the Helm. I don't play with houseboats but I found the EnterHelm is set to "allow" autonomous. So NPCs can just use it all they want.
This is a simple ITUN file that changes the enter Helm from allow Autonomous true to False. If you want to see if this works here is the file. The thinking would be if you don't allow them to enter the Helm they wouldn't be able to drive it anywhere.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d5...anges_3_24_2022
If it works I can get it released. I would test it but I'm not going to have any free time till Friday night to boot up the game.

Test away lol I found only a handful of them that pertain to the helm so one of them has to work (you would hope)..this looked like the most logical but then again when has this game been logical?

EA Logic, an oxymoron much like Military Intelligence and Jumbo Shrimp.

Haven't used the ITUN mod, but sounds promising. Doubt it does anything else, so probably never been used in any other tuning mods. I had an issue with every bar in hometown needing to be replaced when returned, so haven't played IP in a while. But, another option that did seem to work when I played IP was to leave the helm in place, and remove access to it. Remove ladders to wheel house, build a wall to block it, place something in front of it.

Awesome! I will be testing out another mod with resorts tonight about not allowing the active families children to stay in so I will toss this one and load up IP. I haven't played in IP in forever so this should be interesting lol I'm not going to do anything with the steering wheels just put the mod in and give it a go. Thanks for testing it out and glad it's working for you!

Also, since they couldn’t move them was it overall less laggy than it normally would have been if they could move them?

I suppose I will test that by loading up IP without the mod and then add the mod so I can calculate by having it in if I notice a reduction in lag.

Curious for your island paradise did you follow the guide about removing certain things to reduce lag? The reason I ask this is it's stated the Scott Family should be deleted. The issue is they are trying to drive the houseboat at the start. So I guess I will test this out. Game one load and see how much lag I get. I will play a 3 day lag filled game without deleting anything. (I'll be testing out a resort upgrade to see if I can get active family children into VIP rooms), next test will be to start another IP save with the mod in and start fresh to see if the Scott family will no longer cause lag because they can't drive their houseboat, third will be if it's still laggy to go into a third and delete the Scotts.

Update: happy to report back that I put it in without any fixes in a fresh island paradise after testing without and I have no lag! I’m running a family of 6 on a houseboat.

Awesome! I'm going to submit it to get released! I have another person who has virtually no mods in testing it and she said her Island Paradise has never run so smooth. I didn't put the EllaCharm world in either I figured I would give this a shot on a pretty vanilla world. I mean I can't live without Overwatch and the such but I let my sims go for days and it is running better than sunset valley runs. I am going to toss back in Greymont Bay because part of a lot of users complaints was about the houseboats. I found a few other things wrong with that world (the hospital my sims kept getting stuck) but for the most part it was houseboat related.