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Field Researcher
#176 Old 5th Jun 2022 at 6:45 PM
Originally Posted by Softlism
Redecorated rooms of Romeo and Mercutio:
Let me know if you have any suggestions regarding layout/deco

And I made an attempt to assemble a 70s Schrankwand

Last weeks I was more busy creating new Sims than being in Buy/Build Mode, but I hope I can make time soon for new builds and designing the Downtown hood (Windenburg recreation) with HoodPlanner.

Omg I absolutely love the realism. I thought I was the only one here obsessed with messy old school teenage rooms filled with posters. It's something I rarely see in the sims community. I also love the living room but the bedrooms are another level. My only personal preference is to avoid real life photographs on posters and try using the bands' artwork instead, it reminds me of low budget games trying to be realistic .
Lab Assistant
#177 Old 12th Jun 2022 at 9:15 PM
Sorry that it took me so long to answer. I have a period with a very high workload in my job and I had Covid recently so that many things remained undone. The high workload will continue for a while so that it might also affect future postings.

CAS girl's bedroom
Is there any possibility to have a small gap between the heater and the curtain? Moving the heater down a bit or the curtains up a bit. I do not know how hot these heaters can get, but synthetic fibres usually are rather heat-sensitive so that it might be a possible fire source.
I like how the desk area looks like.
VHS or DVD player: I would add one. In rural areas, there is no cable TV and for an old, protected house, you might only get the permission to add one satellite dish, but not several ones. Thus, the more rooms of the house are supposed to have TV reception, the more complicated it will be. Therefore, I could imagine that only the living room has TV reception while the other TVs do not. VHS might be a good option because that way, the family members can record their preferred shows on the main TV and later watch them in their own rooms.
As the Spongebob deco just caught my eye: You could search for "Bernd das Brot". That is a character from a German children's channel that also became popular amongst adults around the time of your neighborhood. If you cannot find any such CC, you might try to create a recolor of the Spongebob deco. Of course, the dimensions and the arms and legs do not match 100 %, but the result might be close enough that a German person might recognize it.

If you want to have a typical German kitchen, you should remove the trash compactor. Compacted trash causes some problems when it is collected. Therefore, the use of trash compactors is forbidden pretty much everywhere (It is regulated on municipal level so that it was not possible for me to check the regulations for every single municipality.)

Lighting next to bed
You can google "Nachttischlampe" and have a look at the lamps that do not look too special. I do not think that the common versions changed a lot during the last 20 years.
I never saw any wall-mounted lamps in private homes, just in hotels (although that most likely was in other countries). If you want some examples nevertheless, you can google for "Leselampe Bett". Versions that are attached to the bed with a clip should definitely be more common than wall-mounted options.
For double beds, I would rather suggest, to find some CC that looks like a bed with integrated bedside tables. These type of bed should be relatively common and there, some kind of light fixture often is integrated in the headboard which allows to have a background light that is less dazzling than the alternatives.
Here are some examples of such double beds:

Neither secondary schools nor primary schools had any playground equipment.
The majority of pupils brought food from home and therefore did not spend the break waiting to buy food. The kiosk offered a bigger variety of food than you could bring from home and therefore most pupils preferred it and as they only bought food from the kiosk a few times per month, it was something special.
It is easier to get to know the pupils from your own class, but it is not impossible to get to know the others as well. For a few subjects, classes could be different (physical education by gender, religious education by denomination, third foreign language vs. mathematical scientific branch etc). There also were events and activities that included several classes or even grades or where classes were not relevant (e.g. year of birth for the sports festival and swimming festival). Having a friend in common or using the same bus also were sufficient to get to know another person better.
As there were no such objects available, I cannot recall anything special. There were a few cases when some things were considered "uncool", but that were individual cases like one guy with a lack of hygiene or a girl with overprotective parents who did lots of stupid things.
Playing with a footbag was popular amongst some of the boys (the ones who played soccer in a club) at least until 9th grade. Smoking and drinking alcohol were a topic from the age of about twelve, but you did not have do do this, to be "cool". Kissing was not really a topic because there hardly were any couples within a class and even if there was a couple, they usually would not kiss during school hours. First WooHoo definitely is a topic that you only would share with very close friends (gender might matter).
I think that your SO's observation is true. In Gymnasium, imho, there is less pressure to be "cool" by doing what everybody does and more acceptance for individuality. And, of course, you can do playful/childlike stuff during one part of the day and drink alcohol and smoke during another part of the day. These things are not mutually exclusive.

I guess I only know boring people, but parties usually were birthday parties or when there was a special reason (like going abroad for a year). Public festivals were more common - several towns have street festivals, villages often host festivals for certain anniversaries (like when they are 1000 years old) and there also were "Plattenparties" (disco for those that are too young to go to real clubs). There also might be more festivals related to regional aspects, like beer festivals, wine festivals, festivals for fishing enthusiasts etc. From spring to fall, you usually can attend some kind of festival on every weekend and many of them also try to be attractive to younger people (e.g. by having several stages with different type of music, by offering a variety of food and drinks etc). It was more common to attend these events. As these festivals also were interesting for adults, you could go there with your parents, then meet your friends and spend time with them and only meet your parents again when it is time to go home.
Duration of parties: There are too many factors to have a general rule for that. From the legal point of view, you have to turn off music outside or turn down to "Zimmerlautstärke" (to a level so that it is not audible outside). Screaming and shouting is also not okay. After midnight, even regular conversations in the garden can be a problem. However, it depends a lot on your neighbors because the public order office/police only will come to your house if somebody complains about you.
Most parties were in the living room, hobby/game room or cellar. Garden parties were extremely rare because there you would have to care about the party noise, while a party indoors usually is no problem. Garden sheds usually were used to store gardening equipment and they were not suitable for hosting parties. I have not attended too many barbecues, but even there, often one person stayed outside next to the barbecue while the guests were inside. The only exceptions were one person who has an open hall (just three walls) on the lot and parties where the number of guests simply was too big to fit them into any room of the house.
ICQ: Not really, I think. I was the only one amongst my friends who used that mode. The normal users just used "online" and "offline" as modes. The geeks were connected 24/7 and were "N/A" or "away" most of the time. I would say that ICQ only was cool before it became mainstream. You could tell apart the early users and the ones who joined later by the user ID numbers. By the time ICQ had many more users as before, most of the geeks also had IRC accounts and used that tool in addition to ICQ.

The attempt is a beginning, but it needs a bit of improvment imho. The old Schrankwände that I know usually are rectangular and one big piece. Thus, you should fill up gaps like the upper left corner. Old Schrankwände also have rear walls so that the wallpaper should not be visible. As Schrankwände like this are quite heavy (you need several people to move them around even if they are completely empty), just having legs does not seem stable enough to me. Maybe you can place the upper shelves also on the ground in a way that they cover the space, but that most of them is hidden inside of the other items that you placed? I assume that you placed the TV on the right side because this fits the room layout. However, the Schrankwände were not customized. Therefore, the TV usually would be in the middle of the Schrankwand because it was the one central living room item. (Although, of course, there also are Schrankwände without any space for a TV at all from that period.)
Original Poster
#178 Old 13th Jun 2022 at 1:35 PM
Thanks for letting me know! I hope you recovered well, and I will take the delayed replied into account.

Interesting to hear that PDA during schooltime was less common during your time (when I was in 9th grade, two classmates went steady w/ each other). But it kinda makes sense to me with the formerly short days at school.

I imagine the Capps complaining easily, but that the Summerdreams are forgiven by most Sims . But yeah, (vaulted) cellar parties it is then for the elves.

Pop culture
Can you recall from which year ICQ became mainstream? For now, I assume that Puck and other techy Sims would use IRC aside of ICQ, and the less techy ones texting or sometimes ICQ (my reference: in NL, chatting through PC was already common in 2003).
Lol, now I imagine frequent sibling quarrels and petty revenges regarding recording VCR, like the brother fooling around with the video record schedule settings of his sister :p
And I will check where to place satellite dish deco (here, it was more common amongst immigrants, but my SO also had satellite in the countryside)

Was the curtain rail usually right above the window, or sometimes also close to the ceiling? I use Inge Jones automatic curtains for the thick ones, but the heights are limited.
Thanks for the feedback about the Schrankwand -- I can try hiding the legs and shifting around with the compartments. But I'm always open to Schrankwand-esk CC suggestions.

Any deco/furniture placement suggestions about the Monty boys rooms? (Link of post 176)
Lab Assistant
#179 Old 12th Jul 2022 at 8:46 PM
Well, I definitely lost some body points due to the infection, but, at least, I do not sound like Darth Vader anymore when walking up hills or stairs.

It is not only because of the short breaks. As mentioned in one of my previous postings (several months ago), there were hardly any relationships with pupils from the same grade or even same school. Many pupils had a relationship with pupils from another school, Azubis or university students. I assume that this has a rather discouraging effect if there are no other PDAs.
The few PDAs that I remember mostly included holding hands and one "picknick" with blankets on a meadow.
However, I rather remember the ocasions when one class mate rejected another. E.g. there was one girl who wanted to invite a boy to a fastfood restaurant or a boy who made music tapes with his own music (he was not really talented, unfortunately) for two girls because he was in love with both of them. It always only took a few hours until the whole class knew about it and the music tapes were passed around to several class mates who wanted to make fun of it.

If you keep the lot positions similar to original Veronaville, there should be sufficient space between the lots so that the Capp family is not disturbed by the Summerdream parties.

Pop culture
I do not remember exactly, but probably around 2003. In 2001, it definitely was not mainstream and around 2005 it was mainstream. It is difficult to pick a date for something that changes gradually.
As long as your sims rely on VHS, quarrels could occur. At some point, my parents got a new TV with an external harddrive for recordings and two cables to the same satellite dish. From that point on, it was possible to record two different shows at the same time and even watch a third channel live as long as the third channel belonged to the same group of channels as one of the recordings. I do not remember exactly when my parents bought it, but most likely it was slightly after the time of your Veronaville.
Satellite dishs still should be the most common option in rural areas. Even today, cable TV is not available here. I just checked it and the cable TV companies only offer their services via internet connection and internet connections back then were not good enough for that (in several places they still are not good enough for that today). Before satellite dishs became common, people had an antenna on the roof. With that antenna, you usually only had a good reception of the public service broadcasters (ARD, ZDF plus a regional channel depending on where exactly you live). My father tweaked our antenna a bit so that there were about 10 channels available including the most common private TV stations - at least when there was no storm between the antenna and the place where the signal came from. My parents replaced the antenna somewhen during the 90ies, but I am quite sure that there still were a few people with an antenna at the time of your Veronaville. That would be an option for people with low interest in TV and probably also mainly older people because the public services broadcasters' audience has a very high average age.

Both options are possible. Rails (in contrast to rods) sometimes also are attached directly to the ceiling.
Monty teen bedrooms: As there are posters on the side of the dresser: Is it also possible to put some posters on the doors of the dresser? That is a common option for placing posters imho. And you also could put posters on the room door.
Laundry: When it is warm enough, many people like to dry their clothes outdoors. Therefore, you might want to put rotary clothes dryers in some gardens. If a house has several balconies and not all of them have a purpose yet, you can put clothes horses on the balconies. That also could be an option for apartments. It is also unrealistic that every single household has a tumble dryer. These people should have clothes horses available all year long. Drying clothes indoors is faster, but it can cause mold and the clothes might smell not that nice afterwards. Drying clothes outside can take several days, especially during winter, but the clothes will smell really nice afterwards. Thus, depending on the character of your sims, they might prefer one or the other option.
Original Poster
#180 Old 13th Jul 2022 at 10:37 AM
I don't have any Build/Buy updates yet because I'm currently more focused with character design. I started working on the Windenburg map recreation, though.

During school events, like multi-day school trips and sports festival, how likely would some pupils from the same grade/age group form couples?
For a Realschule + Fachoberschule with ~500 pupils, how many classes per grade would be common?

Character design
How would the Capps be perceived by rural Germans, since they show off their wealth by living in a big mansion? I understood that showing off wealth is often frowned upon by Germans in general, and one doesn't talk about how much money they earn.

What favorite songs do you imagine for the premades? This is what I thought:
Romeo: hip-hop, R&B, Deutschrap; dislikes party songs like Schnappi because he wants to be cool.
Mercutio: JBL, Die Toten Hosen, Rammstein; actually also likes cheesy hits like Schnappi.
Bianca: 90s alt rock, "Kuschelrock", indie rock (indie is her favorite genre in TS3).
Kent: either rock or trance, or both
Puck: chillout, house, techno, trance (influenced by his mother), but also "indie electronic".
Juliette: mainstream pop, easy listening ballads, Kuschelrock, a mainstream R&B (like Ciara), actually also likes cheesy party hits.
Hermia: Within Temptations, Nightwish, Die Toten Hosen, Martin Kesici, Apocalyptica.
Miranda: poppy rock (e.g. Silbermond), heavy metal (Rammstein), rap (sometimes).
Tybalt: whatever hard-hitting -- angry rap as well as angsty metal and banging hard trance.

Link to bring you back in time: .

How common were Plattenparties actually? I asked a few German aquintances but they never heard of it, though I found some image galleries when googling.
Lab Assistant
#181 Old 9th Aug 2022 at 9:56 PM

Couples: I do not remember a single ocasion where something like this happened. As mentioned before, couples within the same class/grade/school were quite rare and even rejections that happened beyond school and school events were the gossip topic number one for the next couple of weeks. Therefore, nobody would have dared to act on their feelings during such ocasions.

Realschule: I guess you saw that Adenau has a Realschule and Fachoberschule (FOS). However, this is extremely uncommon for such a small municipality. In RLP there are almost 200 Realschulen and "Realschule plus", but according to a state website there are only 32 FOS. Therefore, I would rather locate the FOS in a bigger town further away. The administrative district where I grew up did not have any FOS at all. Everybody who wanted to obtain Fachhochschulreife had to attend a school in a neighboring administrative district and commute there by train.
Class size: According to the RLP website, the average class size currently is about 22, which seems really low to me. For 5th and 6th grade, they have the recommendation that class sizes should not exceed 25, but there seems to be no fixed rule. I am not sure whether the small class size is due to the fact that about 20 years have passed or that it is another state. In my state, the maximum class size was 33. Thus, the school would have a look at how many pupils signed up for 5th grade and then create the minimum number of classes possible. During the following years, the number of pupils per class would slowly become lower and at a certain point the school will reorganize the classes when it is possible to reduce the number of classes.
Teachers: There are different study courses for the different school types. Therefore, a Realschullehrer may not teach grades 11+ and a Gymnasiallehrer or Berufsschullehrer (for FOS) might not be interested in teaching Realschüler because Realschullehrer have a lower salary. Therefore, I assume that it is more like two schools within the same building than one combined school.
School types (5-10th grade): Separated Hauptschule (3) and Realschule (8)apparently are almost extinct in RLP nowadays and instead there are combined "Realschule plus" (185). I do not know how the situation was like about 20 years ago.
School types (11+ grade): On its website, RLP does not differ very well between the different types of schools that can be combined with a Realschule plus. You can attend FOS for two years to be allowed to study at a technical college. You can attend FOS for three years to be allowed to study at universities. In addition to that, there is also Berufsschule. When you are doing an Ausbildung, you work in a company half of your time and learn (most of) the stuff related to the job there. The other half of the time, you attend Berufsschule and have the regular subjects (German, English, maths) and few job-related subjects there. For common jobs, a Berufsschule will be close to your home and you alternate between working for one week and going to school for one week. For less common jobs, the Berufsschule might be further away and it is like a boarding school and you stay there for several weeks and then work in the company for several weeks. Berufsschule does not entitle you to study anywhere (At least that is how it was like back then. It might have changed in the meantime). And there is also Berufsfachschule. There you can do an Ausbildung without working at a company at the same time (apart from obligatory internships). It usually depends on the type of job whether you attend Berufsschule or Berufsfachschule. For people with Ausbildung, there are additional optional qualifications like Meister, Techniker and Betriebswirt that can be obtained later and in parallel to a job.

Character design

Capp family: People definitely would assume that the Capps think that they are better and more important than the others. The mansion itself is not such a big problem, I think, because it is old and inherited - a decision that the ancestors made. It is more the whole life situation that creates distance between the Capps and the rest of the village. The Capp ancestors always married people from outside the village. Many people from the region would work for the Capp company, especially in the lower level jobs which means that there is a dependency. I imagine that Consort has business friends from other towns, but not friends within the village. You also thought about sending the teenagers to a school further away to reduce their contact with other teenagers of the village and there are many more examples like this. I think that the Capp family is not part in any of the village's clubs for that reason. Maybe, they would be part of the parish council or be involved in church activities in some other way as this is the possibility to have some influence. The parish council is elected, but there are not so many candidates and people who invest time in church activities usually can get elected relatively easily even if they are not too popular. You might have to think about whether this idea is compatible with the Capp's matriarchal structure as it contradicts the Roman-catholic church's patriarchal structure.

I do not want to go into detail on every sim, but here are my thoughts in general:
I do not consider Schnappi a party song and I have never been to a party where this song was played. I mostly remember it in connection with Jamba mobile ringtones and once it had reached a certain level of attention, many TV shows started mentioning it and spreading it even further. But it also disappeared again rather quickly.
I do not know anybody who liked both rock and trance and rap, metal and trance also are not really compatible.
Martin Kesici: Was a casting show winner and his biggest hit was quite mainstream. He was invited to Wacken once, but was booed at by the audience due to his background. Therefore, I do not think that he fits into the list. I think that the typical casting show watcher would be more likely to listen to him.
At the beginning of the noughties, there was a wave of German pop groups like Silbermond, Echt, Juli, Ben etc. This wave was not yet completely over at the time of your Veronaville and that type of music was mostly popular with girls.
Tokio Hotel became famous in 2005. Many very young teenage girls were hardcore fans and were screaming, crying and fainting when the band appeared somewhere.
At the end of 2002, the first casting show in Germany started and that type of show quickly became very popular so that there were several similar shows on different TV stations. In your link, there are a few bands that were founded in such casting shows shortly before. Very few of them had long-lasting success, but there were quite some watchers of these shows who would buy all CDs/MP3s of these artists as soon as they were published. Outside of this bubble, the artists were confronted with many prejudices.
(If you are interested in more flamboyant public people, you could have a look at Daniel Küblböck who landed on place 3 in the first ever casting show in Germany.)
One music style that is missing imho is medieval music. I do not think that anybody would just listen to that kind of music, but some fans of alternative, rock or metal music also like medieval music. I could not notice a preference by one gender, but it was more popular with older teenagers, less with the younger ones.
You also might want to have a look at Stefan Raab. He was the host (1999-2015) of a show (TV total) that was popular amongst teenagers. Sometimes, musicians were guests in his show. Thus, a list of these guests might be more significant for the music tasste of teens than the charts. He also hosted a casting show of his own as a reaction on the fact that a competing TV station forbade their casting show winner to have an appearence on TVtotal. And he hosted the Bundesvision Songcontest which is like the Eurovision Songcontest, just with the 16 German states competing against each other. You can find the list of participants for each year online.

Parties: I guess that I used a rather regional term. You could try to google for "Jugenddisco" instead. I know that events like this also took place in other regions of Germany, but I do not know how frequent they are/were.
Original Poster
#182 Old 19th Aug 2022 at 11:20 PM
Due to the heatwave + struggles with crashing, I wasn't much in-game these last weeks, but this week I made time again to resume decorating the Monty Ranch:
I realized I miss some antique knickknacks as Deco, and want to look for smaller religious deco based on The Watcher from TSM. Any other suggestions regarding clutter ideas and placements? I have downloaded Lamare's shift mod which make it easier for me to place clutter, but I want to finetune it with the gridless cheat later on.
And would carpet in the bedrooms of the upper floors make sense for a house that still had 70s interior?

School: after I did the math, does 3 to 4 classes per grade sound plausible for a pure Realschule with ~500 pupils? (so I can figure out which Sims I set as classmates in my headcanon)

In my headcanon, I imagine that the mother of my OC/CAS family is a typical "Spießerin", though she has 7 Playful points paired with 4 Nice points. How do you imagine a Spießer:in express their playfulness during social interactions? By telling subtle jokes to others that's typical of German humor?
Lab Assistant
#183 Old 25th Sep 2022 at 8:59 PM
I somehow managed to post my answer in a wrong thread. I already wondered why it was not shown in this thread. The beginning of the posting is outdated, but I decided against changing it:

I think we have the last hot days for this year. I will be so happy when temperatures are cooler again. Regarding the crashing: Don't give up. Maybe you just have to change a detail and the problems are gone again. I finally managed to get Sims 2 to run on my new notebook after 4,5 months (it wasn't a too big problem as my old notebook still is okay) without crashes or having pink flashing directly when loading the game.

Monty Ranch
The dressers and the "head part" of the bed look fine.
I do not think that Patrizio and Isabella would have a telephone in their bedroom. In the past, people only had one landline telephone in the house and it usually was placed in a relative central place (often even in the hallway). That way people could hear the telephone from all rooms and reach it within a reasonable amount of time. I do not think that Patrizio and Isabella had a telephone connection added to their bedroom at a later point. It also was frowned upon to call people at very early or late hours except in case of an emergency. Patrizio and Isabella definitely have the right age to think that way. That is why I cannot imagine them to have a phone in the bedroom.
I also think that the radio does not fit into their bedroom. Patrizio and Isabella had a strenuous life and I am quite sure that they stood up early in the morning and were busy on other lots or in other parts of the house until they went to bed in the evening. There simply was no time to listen to music in the bedroom. Therefore, I would rather place the radio in another room of the house (or even in several rooms as people did not carry them around). It was popular to have a radio in the kitchen because women back then spent a lot more time on cooking than people (usually) do today. For the bedroom, I think that alarm clocks should be the only electric devices. If you want to, there could be a clock radio, but it would only play music for a few minutes every morning.

The living room also needs some changes, I think. The sofas should be the main part of the living room. It feels strange that they are just in one corner of the living room. There also should be more seats available - usually you also buy one or a few living room chairs along with the sofas. Claudio and Olivia died not that long ago and you mentioned that Bianca is supposed to live with her parents which means that you need at least place for eight people, maybe even for ten as I can imagine that Antonio and Hero also lived in the house for a while after their marriage before they had children. Maybe you can place the Schrankwand on the same wall as the book shelves and have book shelves on both sides of the Schrankwand as an extension of it so that (almost) the whole wall is covered? I am not sure how to best place the furniture in the room to make it look and feel more cosy. Converted into real dimensions, this room would be almost 40 square meters while most living rooms that I saw are 15-25 square meters. Maybe it might make sense to split up the room in two?
A symmetrical Schrankwand definitely would look better. Maybe with the new shift anything hack, you can place the video recorder beneath the TV?

Carpet: I do not think that carpet makes sense for a house in that style and I also do not think that it would have been Patrizio and Isabella's choice as I assume that carpet floors are less common in warmer countries (even though the houses there sometimes are cooler during winter if they do not have a heating).

School: I would go for three classes per grade. 500 pupils in 6 grades means that there are about 83 pupils per grade so that each class would have about 28 pupils.

Spießer: I do not think that the playfulness has to be expressed in every single aspect of your life. I assume that the mother cares a lot about not giving people a reason to gossip about her and her family so that she would be a bit offish with people that she does not know too well. Jokes only might be an option amongst people that she knows very well and whom she trusts completely. I rather can imagine that she e.g. likes boardgame afternoons/evenings with her family or also with close friends. That way she has ocasions when she can act on her playfulness, but in a controlled way that does not contradict with being a Spießerin.
Original Poster
#184 Old 7th Oct 2022 at 8:04 PM
I don't have new screenshots yet due to crashing issues at the Monty Ranch, although I made a start in building a MFH apartment to let Antonio live in.

Meanwhile I have diff questions for general lot decoration:
* Can you recall which Disney and Nintendo stuffed animals were popular during 90s and early 00s?
* Do you also remember what type of shrubs were common in gardens within the lot? I heard that roses and hydrangea are common in gardens, but what about Maxis' shrubs like Bouganvillea, Phlox, "Midbiscus" and Oleander?
Lab Assistant
#185 Old 14th Oct 2022 at 3:14 PM
Disney and Nintendo:
No, I cannot. I did not have either and I cannot remember any special stuffed animals of my friends.

As I do not have a green thumb, I cannot give you too detailed information.
Placement: Small blooming shrubs and flowers often can be found in the front garden so that people who pass by can see it. Other small shrubs can be placed along the ways on the lot. Big shrubs usually are used as a screen, often next to the lot border, to have more privacy. It is not really common to place shrubs somewhere in the middle of the garden. That is only common for trees and especially fruit trees are popular.
Climate: You should check which plants can survive a cold German winter. In some parts of the Eifel, temperatures up (or down?) to -20 °C are possible. Therefore, I would ensure that all plants can deal with at least -10 °C (for lower temperatures, you can imagine that the inhabitants take additional measures to protect plants). Oleanders e.g. are quite common in Germany, but people to not plant them directly in the garden. They plant them in big pots instead so that they can be indoors during winter.
Other shrubs: I was too lazy to look up all the translations, but these shrubs also are quite common in Germany: Thuja, Scheinzypresse, Bergilex, Ginster, Kirschlorbeer, Buchs, Flieder, Heidekraut. If you also consider raspberry bushes as shrubs, they might be a good option for families with children. You could place them at the border of the kitchen garden.
Original Poster
#186 Old 14th Oct 2022 at 7:57 PM
I looked up the English translations of the shrubs on Wiki, but it was disappointing to see that I couldn't find most of them for TS2

Monty Ranch
I found a creative way to assemble a better Schrankwand. When I Googled for 70s Schrankwänder, I also found some asymmetric ones, but I see where you're coming from regarding the central placement of the TV. What kind of additional lamps would suit in the living room? And are (small) altars for deceased family members common amongst Catholics?

What suggestions do you have for hobby rooms/office layout regarding furniture placement and deco? For the bookshelf, I'm planning to put in some photo frames.
Any suggestions for a garden layout regarding Gartenwege? What would be the most logical parking spot for their two cars?
In spring and summer, they probably have an outdoor dining table in the atrium and I want to create a basic yard with grass, playground and some flowers/shrubs at the lot borders and the entrances. Or would a cottage garden suit them better? (Patrizio has a vineyard instead of llamas).
Original Poster
#187 Old 24th Oct 2022 at 9:35 PM
Since I'm going on holiday this week, I will post these screenshots already

CAS family interior: hallway, hobby room, bathrooms

MFH with 5 apartments
Any suggestions/feedback for the room layouts of Unit 1 (basement) and Unit 2? From those apartments, no pictures were published so I had to improvise. Also, in which apartment unit would Antonio's family live in regarding size-affordability ratio? I imagine the twins have a shared bedroom.

ZFH (2 apartments)
For now, this is going to be a "filler lot" because I don't have plans yet which households I want to move in there and in which hood I want to place it.

I have to clean up Object meshes regularly due to OBJD-related crashes, so I wonder: which chairs are too modern or uncommon for early 00s houses and older?
Lab Assistant
#188 Old 11th Nov 2022 at 4:25 PM
CAS family home

Hobby area: The plant seems to be very close to the piano and the stuff on the sideboard. That seems rather unpractical to me. Maybe you can move the pet cage closer to the wall and the piano also a bit to the left to create more room for the plant.

Bathroom ground floor: The light above the mirror looks strange. I would replace it with a plain horizontal lamp or move the lamp to the wall around the corner.
I also do not think that people would place cleaning stuff on the floor next to the toilet. Flushing the toilet creates aerosols so that the items on the floor would be in a unhygienic state.

Bathroom 1st floor: It looks like the ceiling lamp is attached to one of the beams. That is not realistic because any wires would be in the regular part of the ceiling, not within the beams.
I also never have seen a bathroom with three windows. Bathrooms usually have one window, two already are rather an exception.
The shelf with shampoo etc. above the bathtub should be lower so that a person sitting in the bathtub can reach it.
The bathroom also is not really a good choice for the clothing rack. The room is not that big and has a rather high level of humidity because it is a bathroom. Thus, the clothes will dry rather slowly and there is a danger of mold. As the lot has a big garden, the most logical option would be drying the clothes outside (which even works at temperatures below zero btw). If you have some unused space in the attic, that might be an alternative if you want to have the clothes rack indoors. The bigger the room, the better and in the attic you can imagine that your sims keep the doors to neighboring rooms open so that the humidity does not become too high.
The deco shower looks strange. At first glance, I thought it looks like a reading lamp. Shower hoses are very flexible so that due to gravity they just hang down. The hose of your shower is curved in a way that does not consider gravity.


The MFH should be located in the nearby town, not in Veronaville imho. It is really big. The number of usable floors is the maximum that you could get approved in a village, but there is so much unused space above due to the game mechanics and that space would be used as another floor in RL so that the building would have too many floors. I also do not know any building with five apartments in a small village and I doubt that such apartments would be appealing to potential tenants when they also can rent a small house or an apartment in a duplex with garden for a similar amound of money.

There are regulations that for newer houses there have to be at least as many parkings as apartments. In reality this means that there is exactly as many parkings as apartments, not more because tenants are not really willing to spend additional money on renting a second parking as parking along the street is hardly more dangerous than parking on the lot. Therefore, I would reduce the number of parkings. You also should change the color of the grey driveway extensions because I never saw parkings with such a color on a private lot. People use the same type of paving that they also use for the paths.

You also should reduce the amount of space that is covered with some kind of floor or switch the tiles to grass paving blocks. Municipalities keep a record of how much terrain is covered with some kind of flooring and the more land is sealed, the more money the owner has to pay for waste water (in addition to the water used within the house). It might be an option to move the parkings (except for garage and carport) to the front of the lot so that they are directly attached to the street.

The balcony railing could need some vertical posts. The longest part of the railing is about ten tiles long without any vertical post inbetween. I seriously doubt that this would work in RL due to gravity.

You should remove the light grey floor tiles and the low fence from the street area. People are not allowed to build or change anything there. The beginning of the driveway to the garage should not match the road. If the road needs to be fixed, the municipality will only fix the road, not any driveways on lots. Therefore, the colors will not be exactly the same in RL, even if the owners decide to have asphalt on their lot.

A building with five apartments would need at least a second waste bin for residual (black) and recyclable (yellow) waste. Paper (blue) and organic waste (brown) should not require a second bin.

Common cellar:
There definitely should be some walls inside as you might need some load bearing walls to provide stability for the floors above. There would be a room with the heating system for the whole house. If it is an oil heating, there would be another room with oil tanks. There also would be a small room with all the electricity meters for the apartment units. It is also common that every apartment has a small part of the cellar as storage. Google "Kellerabteil" to see how they usually look like. They usually are not really big so that you could make them as small as 2x3 tiles if you do not have more space. If you have to fill a bit more space, you can increase the size slightly. And you could have a bike room in the cellar. It is rather risky to keep bikes outside because they might be stolen. That is why many apartment buildings have a room in the cellar that can only be accessed with the right key so that only inhabitants can go there. If there is no bike room, the tenants might carry the bikes into their apartments or leave them somewhere on an upper level of the staircase. I know people who carry their bikes up to three floors high to ensure that they are not stolen.

Carport: Looks fine. I am not sure whether you really need recolors of the fence and the balcony railing. Often, fences and outdoor railings start with a light color, but it becomes darker over the years.

Stairs: Is it correct that you used two types of stairs outside? If yes, please provide a closer look at the bigger stairs as they look rather slippery which might be dangerous during fall and winter. I also would add a stair railing to the small stairs at the back of the lot.

Apartment 1: I do not really like the room layout. It might be better to have one big room for living, dining and kitchen so that there is no need for that hallway anymore. If you have one big room, you also might switch the sides of bathroom and kitchen so that the bathroom can have a window. If you keep the bathroom next to the common cellar, make sure to have some kind of artificial ventilation to get rid of the humidity. The tubing might be hidden within the walls/ceiling, but at least somewhere on the outer walls, there would be a ventilation grille.

Garage: Due to its size (no room for stairs) and location, I think that you only can attach it to apartment 1. If you merge kitchen, hallway and living room into one big room, you would just need a connection door. That would mean that the bathroom should stay (more or less) where it currently is located.

Chimney: Chimneys have to be higher than the rest of the roof (at least 40 cm higher), they have to be close to the roof ridge and they also have to be high enough so that the smoke will be higher than any neighboring building. Therefore, you may not have a fireplace at the location where it currently is in apartment 2.

Apartment 2: I do not think that an apartment of this size would have such a big storage room and the tiny room seems to be too small to be a second bedroom. Moreover the hallway takes too much space in comparison to the size of the whole apartment.
It might be an option to turn storage, second bedroom and part of the hallway to a living room (maybe with some extra tiles on the right where kitchen and living room currently are located) and have the kitchen on the right side of the living room. It is okay if the living room is a connecting room. You also could combine living room and kitchen to one big room and have a second bedroom on the right side of the house.

Apartment 3: The storage should be much smaller or removed. The shape of the hallway is strange and it is too big. Maybe extend the size of the living room by one tile to where the kitchen is right now. That way, you could reduce the size of the hallway a bit and enlarge the living room a bit while the kitchen would have about the same size as before, but with a better, rectangular shape. Maybe I also would move the bathroom further back because it is the room where it is more acceptable that it does not have a window. It also would make sense if the guest bath (extended to 2x3) and the regular bathroom were next to each other because that way both rooms can access the same water pipes. That way, instead of the storage room, you could have a regular room with at least a small window that could be used more flexible (third bedroom, study, utility room).

Apartment 4: The apartment door is facing the wrong direction so that the door mat is inside the apartment. Again, I do not like the shape of the hallway that much, but the layout of the other rooms looks fine. Maybe you can make the hallway one tile shorter so that the kitchen and the master bedroom are a bit bigger?

Apartment 5: Looks fine the way it is. If you prefer bigger kitchens, you might make the bathroom one tile smaller. You might also add more doors to the balcony as it is not really common that the only access to it is in the kitchen. It would be quite normal if the two bedrooms also had access to it and (at least in RL) due to their size balcony doors provide more light than a window.


There is no need for a roof underneath the dormer as the dormer wall is directly on top of the ground floor wall.

The location of the second garage at the back of the house is quite uncommon and also rather expensive regarding maintenance because of the land sealing. I would suggest that you also build some houses with a more normal, boring lot layout so that the exceptions remain exceptions. How can the second garage be reached btw? On the left side, there is the other garage and on the right side, there is a fence without any gate. As already mentioned for the MFH, you should consider the use of grass paving blocks for all areas that are not the path to the entrance door and not supposed to be used as terrace with furniture on it. The excessive use of floor tiles reminds me a bit of the discussions about stone gardens in front of houses that are frowned upon by many people because they do not look nice and they do not provide food for bees and other insects.

Basement: I really think that it should somehow be accessible from within the house. Maybe you can remove the storage room (?) of apartment 1 and extend the staircase room so that there is sufficient space for stairs leading to the cellar.

Apartments: What are the two small rooms at the right side of each apartment supposed to be? The guest toilet? Or is it simply unusable space due to CFE? If it is the guest toilet, maybe it would be better to turn it into a 2x2 room and extend the room (second bedroom?) behind it so that you can shorten the hallway. If you do the same for the second apartment, you could turn the main bathroom into a study/third bedroom/utility room/etc. and have the storage room as main bathroom (you even could change this while sims already are living in the building because it just requires redecoration, no structural changes).

Wooden chairs without upholstering are not that common in private homes because they often are uncomfortable after a while. They are quite common in schools, kindergardens, universities and other public buildings however.
L = last row, M = middle row, F = front row; numbers from left to right
Remove: L1, L2, L8, M6, M7, M9, F4, F6
Keep: L6, M2, F1, F3, F5
Keep only for community lots: L7, M4
Rest - decide yourself:
L3, L4 and M4: keep only if you have a particular sim in mind who likes that style
L5: the pattern reminds me of camping chairs, thus I would only use it as rather cheap terrace/balcony furniture
M1: proportions look a bit strange, but wicker furniture is popular
M5: could be more expensive terrace/balcony furniture, but only with a more neutral pattern
M8: Do you have matching lounge furniture?
F2: The armrests look strange. It would be better if the material looked softer and the color matched the color of the rest of the chair better.

I just remembered that yoyos (the slightly more expensive ones that are suited for tricks) were popular for a while during the early 2000s. I guess that there are no interactions and animations for this in Sims 2, but maybe you can find some CC as decoration.
Original Poster
#189 Old 12th Nov 2022 at 12:46 AM
Thanks for your detailed feedback! I'm just back from holiday, so your reply felt for me right on time .

CAS family
The shower hose is a part of the bathtub mesh, but I couldn't find any better European-style shower hoses. Since the mom is a Neat Sim, I can imagine she would place the cleaning stuff somewhere else, like in the drawer. I do imagine less neat Sims having cleansing bottles closer to the toilet like this: and this: .

MFH apartment
The original 5-unit apartment is located in Kirchsahr, where slightly more than 350 inhabitants live, which to me feels like a small village already. The apartment was built in the 20th century so far I can recall. Here's a YT video of the apartment units (cheesy EDM background music alert):
Unit 3 floorplan:
Unit 4 floorplan:
Unit 5 floorplan:
The grey driveway recolor is temporarily -- once I'm satisfied with the placement, I will make them invisible. The balcony railings don't have visible posts at the outside, hence I dragged the fences from corner to corner, but I can check how the posts will look like. The lack of greenery is based on the drone pictures of the reference, but I don't know if the garden laws are less strict in the Ahrweiler. The stone stairs are the same, but I see I used different railings. But I can replace all the railings with metal ones that are decorative (originally made as deco for winding stairs). Would the chimney be located on the basement floor instead?

Unit 3: in the reference, the guest bathroom and main bathroom are separated by the storage room, although I could extend the guest bathroom so it's more accessible for Sims.
Unit 5: since I've made the balcony wider than in the reference (where only the kitchen has a balcony door), I see now it would make sense indeed to add extra balcony doors at the living room and bedroom, and replacing the balcony door at the kitchen with a window.

Reference pictures:,,
Basement floorplan under a slope
Ground floor floorplan:
Top floor floorplan:
The odd garage position is also based by the original floorplan, although I had a hard time finding a good stair position that's accessible for all tenants because the hallway is wider than the cellar and there I couldn't find a good position for a stair leading to the cellar. But it sounds like a good idea to extend the hallway by removing the storage room of Unit 1. The tiny rooms are supposed to be tiny guest toilets, albeit without a sink because otherwise Sims will throw a tantrum. I have to check if it works to extend the guest toilet to the left due to the risk of doors blocking each other on a 1-tile narrow hallway (though I can relocate the door of the master bedroom). In NL, it is common to have stone-paved backyards at row houses and duplexes, but I'm not a fan of it either.
Do you imagine Antonio living in such an apartment?

Monty Ranch
What suggestions do you have for post no.186?

Village culture
I heard that in the northwestern villages of NL, it's more common amongst teens to drink heavily from the age of 15 in "drinking sheds" and eventually have kissed with almost every opposite sex member of their friends group (like during shed parties and/or Kirmes). And I also heard that some parents are in their village known as big drinkers during the Kirmes, but they don't give a darn about that. Have you also witnessed such a mentality amongst teens during your life in the village? Or are they more privy and more self-conscious about their village reputation?

Also thanks for sharing your thoughts about the CC chairs! This will help me further tidying up my Buy Mode objects. If I'm in game again, I will make screenshots of couches and tables too.
Original Poster
#190 Old 17th Nov 2022 at 4:04 PM
I still struggle with game crashes due to having too many object meshes (downloaded some clutter), so I have to clean up more furniture. Can you help me out selecting which objects would suit my theme?
Screenshots of seatings (except beds):

Any additional thoughts @simsfreq ?
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