Warning: This post was written by an alcohol infused user.


You have my respect. I mean that. If there's one thing I've learned in life: Those older than you will always possess knowledge you simply cannot. For example, experience of the 70s, 80s, etc.

It's one thing reading history books, it's a whole different thing living it.

I owe a lot of my 'technical' knowledge to older generations. I was 10/11 years old kicking around wanting to learn how to make websites, etc, way back when to do so actually meant learning something. It was the older generations that taught me. I wouldn't possess the technical knowledge I have today if not for them. I certainly wouldn't have been a linux user for the past 20+ years.

I even have some very basic knowledge of how to use/administer systems from the 60s/70s due to people I used to know who were around to administer those systems at the time who yapped on about it. (They stopped responding a while ago, no idea why.)

The technical knowledge you can gain from your elders is priceless and well worth finding! The goal of communication is to share and gain knowledge, after all!

(Note: I realize that this may sound I am calling you an elder, but that is not my intention!)



I generally only add enough bedrooms as necessary.

I usually build houses first and add families that fit the house thereafter, so typically most of my lots tend to have whatever amount of beds and bedrooms the design calls for. If I'm building a mansion it'll usually have at least 3BR, if it's a penthouse loft then usually only 1BR.

I build homes for the families - and if the family gets too big for the house, they get a new one. Houses in my hood normally have at least 3 bedrooms.

I would rather have too many bedrooms than not enough, one can always use them for a study, a hobby room, a playroom for kids, a pool table, the train thingy, whatever comes to mind which may suit the sims. And one can move in a townie if desired.

There are 2 or 3 tiny houses in my Uni hood, I have not used them yet (in years) - but if a new student should urgently need a room and ll my dorms are full (6 rooms each, 6 playables in each) I may use it.

Some of my retired couples have very nice 1BR homes, but I also made sure they have rooms with other things in it.

I do have 5 or 6 1BR starters in my hood (emergency housing?) but I honestly tend to grab the beloved Ranch Retreat if I desperately need a cheap house, because it is not only very playable, but can be changed in many ways, which means you can leave a family in there for a bit longer. And it has 2 bedrooms

A beef I have with the Maxis houses in many of the premade neighborhoods is that they don't have enough bedrooms! Or big enough bedrooms! What adult wants to sleep in a single bed? Where in the world are you going to put those six children you want to marry off someday? Trying to find a suitable house for Albany Capp's family or the Ottomases that they can actually afford is a nightmare. (I guess I could build one, but I hate building as it takes away from my gameplay time.)

I don't think I've found a single Maxis-made house I've liked the outlay of. They're either too small in general, too weird (outlay or in general), don't have enough rooms, or have too small rooms.

I prefer having one bedroom for each child, though it depends a bit what I'm going for (pure gameplay - kids can share. Storytelling - one bedroom per kid). It also needs to be bigger than 4x4 (ideally between 5x5 and 6x6), especially for storytelling. Preferably corner bedrooms (easier for camera work).

I don't do anything smaller than 3x3 residentials for storytelling. Can't get a camera in sideways (wide-angle just makes the pictures look weird).

I'm not a house builder. I don't mind decorating, but building? Not my thing. I can do it if I have to, or fix an outlay if need be, but prefer downloading houses. Too bad there are almost none that tend to meet my criteria - I'm very picky when it comes to lots...

My standard boring "box" house is one floor, 16 wide by 11 deep. The four corner rooms are 4x4 with a 4x3 bathroom on each side between them. Those corner rooms can be bedrooms ( a double bed fits in the middle of the room with enough room for Sims to get in/out on either side), skilling rooms, or whatever. All the rooms have at least 2 doors to reduce routing problems. The bathrooms can be entered from either bedroom or the central area and can hold a sink, toilet and tub or shower without blocking any door.

That leaves the central area at 8 wide by 11 deep. I usually divide that about in half with the front part being the living area and the back the dining area and kitchen.

Minimally furnished with a window in each room, on a small 3x2 lot, it costs 13,003 simoleans; medium 3x3 lot is 15,253 simoleans, and large 5x3 lot is 18,803 simoleans - all less than the 20,000 simoleans given to a new family and still have some leftover simoleans for essential initial furnishings which is what I wanted to have. One could probably make it 18 x 13 and have 5x5 corner rooms but that may push the unfurnished cost above the 20,000 simolean threshold I was adhering to.

I'll additionally furnish the rooms as needed or as the family grows, and remodel the interior adding in more windows, making the front doorway 2-wide, etc as the family gains simoleans.

Yes, it's very boring but it is quite functional and most pictures for storytelling are easy to take. It's based on an actual rental house at the beach that a group of us stayed at many years ago.

I find the house at 20 via Veronaville very versatile. I have been able to use it for a bunch of different families.

Top floor: The older children are in college/living in their own house now, but the picture is showing the 2 full bathrooms plus toilet, Tarek and Debbie's room and 4 bedrooms for four of their six children and also the computer room.



Bottom floor: the other two bedrooms, the other bathroom and several combination rooms.


James is their youngest child and will go to college soon.


Top Floor: Carina and Micah Collensworth's room, a extra bedroom, 2 full bathrooms, computer room and the gold badge items for Micah's LTW.



Bottom Floor: 2 bedrooms, the other bathroom, and several combination rooms. Carina is currently pregnant and show this house shows where I put cribs first

For my current hood, I'm extending houses as families grow. I began with single sims, and I built each a small house on a 40X40 lot. I made each house up as I went along, this is an example:
House when the sim moved in (main room, bedroom and bathroom):


House when sim was married and starting a family:


House several sim years later, after 4 kids grew to teen!

I'll show my ignorance. 67? I know why 69 is supposed to be funny.

I hate that so many games nowadays are subscription based/play online etc. I want to buy a game and have it as mine, without the ability for the company to just stop supporting it and/or take it away from me. Not just games. I really hate the subscription based novels apps that won't let you buy the book. You have to unlock each chapter at a exorbitant price or subscribe and lose access to the book if you quit the subscription.

I don't play very many new games either. Nothing to do with graphics etc. It's just that many new games just don't attract me. *shrugs* The newest one I play is probably FFXIV and that's ten years old already.

I hate the general text speak bollocks. As a proofreader by trade it's sad to see people caring less and less about correct grammar and eloquence. I have heard that the double hyphen -- is used by AI. Reddit posts get flagged for it. I actually don't know why anyone uses it when a single hyphen will do.



I thought that you said they weren't in a romantic relationship? Is this a marriage of convenience? Malcolm is sounding kind of creepy if he has a huge mansion, yet he can't give a teenage girl living with him her own room and bed. It feels like he's grooming her. Anyway, why does she have to be a teen when they marry? Surely he can wait until she grows up.



I feel immature now. I sleep in a single bed lol.

It's a thing that doesn't really have a good explanation. From what I understand it was "inspired" (if you can call it that) by something a not particularly famous (? I'd never heard of them, anyway) celebrity did, and just blew up, mostly in the younger generation(s).
Personally I don't get why it's a thing, and it should've died out pretty fast on its own, but apparently kids find it funny, so here we are.

69 has fun appeal for... obvious reasons

Not a knock on you, Charity, or on anyone who chooses to sleep in a single bed--so sorry if that was implied!

My sister tells me it originated from a crappy mumble rap song, where the lyricist/rapper used '67' instead of the word 'hoe'. It's a pretty dumb fad, I do agree though.

It's not as stupid as some of the slang we used when I was young though!

It only proves that modern rap is in the toilet when they either mumble so bad you barely understand it, or they rap too fast you can't understand it. Give me the Golden era '90s gangster G-funk classics instead. Days when rappers knew what the R stood for.

I've never understood a rap artist in my life, at least not after "Rapper's Delight." Lyrics are always hard to understand, and if old people like us understand the kids' in-jokes, the kids need new in-jokes. Someday they will be scornful of "kids these days" and long for the talent and sophistication of entertainment in the '20s, even as the world burned...

Does the Lot Class value actually work to spawn a different class of social group townies if you edit it in SimPE? Or does it just reset when you open the lot itself?

I don't know but, the lot will load with the modified social class set, as it is not calculated during the loading process.

The lot class is calculated just before saving and then saved with the lot. It uses things like trash on the lot, number of sims living on lots, nearby lot values, etc, etc to determine the lot class. So, what this means is that as soon as you hit "save" your edited lot class is gone with the wind.

So, in my opinion, it's not worth trying to edit it. Although, it is a useful and fun metric to use with your other mods to alter some functionality within them. :D

Literally me. Every time I go on any other gaming forum.

Didn't think it was. I was just teasing you.

Sorry for being so slow in replying: I've had some Real Life issues over the last few days, including an unexpected visit to hospital. Routine, but nonetheless unexpected! Thanks for all your replies about houses, beds and bedrooms. I'll try to address some of the issues raised.
Like Charity, I usually sleep in a single bed. It leaves more room for other things in the room, and I don't see much point in sleeping in a double bed, if you haven't got somebody nice to share it with! (At one time I used to share a double bed with a little cat!) Anyway in Simspeak, I'm no longer an "Adult" -- I'm now quite definitely an "Elder".

In the UK, house prices are now so high that they say it's almost impossible to become a first-time buyer, without resorting to use the "Bank of Mum and Dad". That's what Goneril did in my game: she went to Capp Manor where Consort gave her the money to buy "Cappland".
In fact Consort giving her the money to buy Cappland is one of the most memorable incidents involving pre-made playables in my game. Before she even reached the gate at Capp Manor, he met her in the street outside the Manor, took several thousand Simoleons out of his back pocket and handed them over to her -- the same animation as the game uses when a Sim gives the paperboy/girl a §5 tip. To effect such money transfers between Sims, I use christianlov's Wallet, and that required Goneril and her family to have somewhere to live until she got the money from Consort to buy Cappland. Well, 20 Via Veronaville in its original Maxis condition costs §14,897, making it one of the cheapest houses in Veronaville. As a result, Goneril and Albany were able to buy it complete with enough beds for the whole family with the §20K they start off with. Luxurious it wasn't!
20 Via Veronaville is the smallest Maxis house in the street, and the first you come to as you drive into the town, but in our Veronaville there is one house before it, very close to the old aqueduct.

@Orilon When saw your post about 20 Via Veronaville, When I look at your pictures I can recognise that it has been developed from the original inexpensive Maxis house, but it i clear that a lot of Simoleons ave been spent on developing it into something much bigger and grander. My Sims in Veronaville have two problems: (1) Most of them are not rich -- they have to work within tight budgets, and (2) Eastside Veronaville is a Conservation Area with very tight planning regulations. It is hard to get planning permission for any changes to the exterior of any of the old Tudor buildings. This can be a problem as they were built long before the invention of even gaslight, let alone other modern conveniences. Gloria got planning permission for a very small extension to 19 Chorus Court, but it probably helped that her boyfriend was on the City Council at the time. More recently the boys at 40 Via Veronaville made a much smaller change to the upper story of their house. I'm not sure whether they got planning permission or whether they merely hope that the authorities don't notice.

The reason why I like to provide spare bedrooms (with beds!) in my Sims houses, is that my Sims really do like invite friends to sleepover / stay the night often for reasons unrelated to romance. I have a mod for children's sleepovers -- sleeping over gives them much more time to hang out with their friends and play with them. (Actually where I live, the word sleepover is most often used for children, so it very rarely implies a romantic relationship.)

@Charity, I think I'm actually a bit pedantic in the grammar I use in my posts. You may notice me using "whom" where appropriate, and putting the apostrophe before 'bus and 'phone because they're short for omnibus and telephone. And of course I put an apostrophe before 'hood as we just don't use "hood" as short for neighbourhood in Scotland. It's a word I only use for Sims neighbourhoods. However, despite a tendency to grammatically pedantry, I frequently make ghastly mistakes in my posts, which I sometimes only spot months later (if at all). So, Charity, if you spot any howlers in my posts, I'll be delighted if you tell me. To err is human . . . (That's how I usually use the three dots. I'm never sure whether to leave spaces between them! The double hyphen? I use it to simulate a dash, when posting here, or anywhere where I haven't got easy access to the dash symbol. I thought that was how everybody used the double hyphen. If I recall rightly, Microsoft Word changes the double hyphen into a dash.

Malcolm and Marion? Yes they aren't in a romantic relationship -- they really are "just good friends"! I'm just speculating that their friendship might develop into something more in the future. Actually I think friendship might be a very good basis to build a relationship on. I think it can outlast physical attraction. But who am I to talk about romantic relationships? A seventy-something-year-old virgin who has never been in a proper relationship! You'd be better to ask my Sims -- they understand romantic relationships far better than I do! Most of my Sims, teenage and upwards, are in relationships. Some of them manage several such relationships at once. And even some children have crushes on other children. Is Malcolm creepy? I think I've always felt him to be a bit creepy. I suppose he's been born into money, and has a bit of a sense of entitlement. I don't feel it easy to relate to people like that. But as with all my Sims, I try to understand where he's coming from and give him the benefit of the doubt. If he and Marion can make each other happy, why shouldn't they? If Marion is quite sure she wants to marry Malcolm while she's still a teen, I don't see why she should have to wait. But then I do come from the land of Gretna Green! All this however is quite speculative; for now they are just very good friends.

For the last twelve hours I've bee unable to get into Mod the Sims in Firefox. I've just tried Microsoft Edge, and it seems to be working. This post was mostly composed on Firefox, but I'm now trying to post on Edge. Please let me know if there are any problems, especially if you can't see the pictures.

Phone and bus have really become words on their own. They have their own dictionary section. I had to look up what an omnibus even was lol. What I hate about dates like 1980s etc. is when people make them possessive e.g. 1980's. It always makes me think, 1980's what?

I'm not so sure that Gretna Green was a good idea. They let girls marry at 12 and boys at 14, with no parental permission required. That's way too young to get married and possibly resulted in children being abused. But I don't think that even older teens are mature enough to get married. They don't have enough life experience and if your relationship is serious then it will survive waiting.

And yeah, I know that Andrew will probably argue with me on that, but he isn't a normal teen. He's basically an adult in a teen body lol.

@AndrewGloria Very true. I do have to admit that the motherlode cheat gets used a few times.

The way it works is I have the basic empty house so Sims can move in under the 20,000 given to them, and then motherlode gets used to build the bedrooms, bathrooms and other rooms to fit the Sims needs.