Given the inconsistency in that message appearing to begin with, that sounds like a very sane decision. Perhaps BoilingOil will spare you the trouble of having to avoid thinking about it, by checking the game code. I'm following your lead, and not thinking further on it before I get tempted to try and look at it myself.

I have on multiple infants; base game. their bodies after aging were the birth gender. did not take pictures.

Good for you, gummilutt! (Or, er, I guess good for us. Even patting myself on the back seems a big effort at the moment---I'm headed offline to get some rest.)

That's a lovely idea you've got, though! So...

Hallooo, @BoilingOil. I know how busy and absorbed you must be with testing your new mod (I think I speak for all of us when I say how excited I am that you are doing even a bit of modding again!). If you at any point decide you're interested in looking at other EA code, we'd love to know how the game determines whether sims get skillpoints as a result of a successful date---in particular whether the specific skill for which a point is granted has anything to do with either/both the date partner's personality or number of points in that skill. If you have a chance. But come say hello anyway when you can and let us know how you are!

I don't know if an examination is really required to answer this question. As far as I have seen in eight years of play, a successful date has never resulted in any skill point gain. The best a successful date (Dream Date) will do, is max out the motives of both sims involved. So either I must be the most unfortunate person in the world, to never have been granted a skillpoint from a date, or there must be some dude/broad out there with quite a vivid imagination, who came up with a ludicrous idea.

The only thing I can think of that *might* occasionally happen, is a sim doing something during the date that is related to the skill. Like they are already close to gaining a Cleaning skill point, and then mop up a puddle, or clean a toilet or anything like that. It still has nothing to do with the date itself. It just coincidentally happened during the date.

Well, yes, the programmers did have quite the imaginations, in many ways. Thanks for responding, BO! But, er, indeed, gaining a skillpoint (Cleaning or even other types, though as far as I have seen Cleaning is the most common) is something that can happen with a successful date. I have not seen it too recently, but I know I have seen it several times.

It happens as @AndrewGloria says here. In fact, Andrew or anyone else, can you jog my memory as to whether it's a Dream Date result or happens with lower levels of date success too?

Edited to add: what I can describe is that it's a message that pops up as the End Date interaction is completing. Since they're just finishing kissing (or hugging, or whatever), it's clearly *not* something that's related to the current activity. And it happens even though they have not done any skilling during the date---I was surprised myself when I first saw it, because I clearly remember thinking I'd never even sent my sims to any community lot with a bookcase on it, and the date had started while the asker was out, by cell.

In other words...definitely not a myth.

Well, I didn't mean the programmers who would have imaginations, because that would be mandatory for them. I was talking about someone in the playing community who made up some wild fantasy to throw us off our game, or who experienced a skill point gain, and was too drunk or sleepy to understand why that happened.

I have never even heard of a "tidy date" and have no idea what that means. It must be some CC thing that I don't have, because it most certainly is NOT an official game feature.

Hee. You're so crochety. And I rather enjoy that about you. No, as I just edited my post to reflect, I have seen it too. And I don't drink and am sure I wasn't sleepy and imagining it every time it's happened.

Ok, you know what, because you say so, I will make it a point to look for it in the code. But I think I can tell you beforehand what I'll find: ZIP!

Oh, muchly appreciated, BO! I'd bet you a beer that you *will* find something, but as I said...

No rush, please.

This is a very stupid question, I am a noob at SimPE so whatever
When I have a package opened in SimPE and I click to open anything in the Resource Tree it doesn't open, how do I fix this?

I've had the random date get a cleaning point before. It does appear completely random and has nothing to do with dream-date status. Also it's pretty rare.

I agree it's rare, @smorbie1. Thank you for verifying your experience. Have you noticed whether it only appears on successful dates (that is, not just dream dates but any date considered not a bad one)?

I assume no reward of any kind is possible when the date goes badly...I've had so few of those, though, so I just don't know. Probably should try to get more at some point just for giggles---I once started serially paying the gypsy the minimum to get a CAS elder to 50 First Dates, but he passed away before I got very far.

I'm about 99% certain that it was a dream date, because that's what my Sims nearly always have. It happens as natboopsie describes at the end of the date. The message says that your Sim has gained an Cleaning point for a "tidy date". Now I'm not quite sure what my Sim (or the programmer) meant by a "tidy date", but it came as a little bonus at the end of a very good and enjoyable date -- something special for a special Sim! I do wish I could remember who it was that got it. It could indeed have been Andrew, because he had a very good dream date with Julian recently, and it would suit his personality as he his by nature very neat and tidy. (He's a Virgo and he actually enjoys cleaning! Come to think of it, I wish I could invite him to come and stay with me for a couple of days -- he could have a whale of a time cleaning and tidying all the things in the house that need it! )

It didn't come as a total surprise to me as I had read about it somewhere before. Perhaps it's mentioned on the Wiki.

I have just examined a rather lengthy BHAV that is responsible for your sim ending the date with the other. For anyone who wants to verify my results - assuming they know how to do that - it's Group 0x7F9EE20D, instance 0x00002019 - "End - Date".

The code in there does several things: satisfy related wants, distribute memories, and determine what type of date reward OBJECT is given. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing but. If there were any chance of this code giving either sim a skill point as a result of the date, then there should be at least a single call into the skill-gain globals. But there isn't one!

So it may very well be that sometimes your sim gains a skill point at the end of *any* kind of date, but it is merely a coincidence, and not at all related to the date itself!

Thank you, BO!

I still wonder if it's hidden somewhere else, then. Because I must say that it is not imaginary, and it *is* related to the date itself---just as I was about to describe before seeing that AndrewGloria has done a lovely job of it already. (Thank you!)

ETA: Posted prematurely. Yes, it *is* on the Wiki! Here is the page about dating. It's under "Date Rewards."

Everyone is free to believe so.

My opinion was asked, and I see no evidence of it in the End - Date BHAV. And with my eight years of never seeing it happen, I think I know what I want to believe. If I'm wrong, I have yet to be convinced of that.

Thanks, BO, for your time. ETA: Indeed, I've no idea in the first place about how to look for any of this, so I can't say where they might have tucked it away.

Can someone quickly answer my question? It's important, sorry if I seem impatient

I'm sure it is related to the date in some way, because the message says that the Cleaning skill point is for a "tidy" date. It's not the usual message to say that your Sim has gained a skill point cleaning the <<whatever>>.

By the way, I know how to open a mod's package file with SimPE and look at the BHAVs inside the mod, but I don't know where to look for the game's own BHAV's.

I saw your question, Miley, and I'm sorry it got buried. Never having had that problem, though, I don't know what to tell you.

But if you do feel it's important, perhaps you could post it in "Sims 2 Help" instead? Some of those Help folks don't read these threads, and certainly this wouldn't be the place to go for a quick technical answer.

ETA: Right, @AndrewGloria. I don't actually think it's imaginary, having seen it often enough myself (though it remains uncommon). Like you, I almost exclusively run Dream Dates, and lots of them. Plus, it's on the Wiki---not that that is gospel, just that clearly others besides those in this thread thought so too. I'm just at a loss as to how to prove it or check how it links/doesn't link to personality and skillpoints of the sim dated, other than having to run a really large series of Dream Dates, which I really don't want to do, lol. (I love having sims date, but I'm not sure I'll love it so much after a marathon like that, and that would be kind of sad.)

Does anyone know if Brandi Broke has a recessive blonde hair gene in the cleaned up version of Pleasantview?
Her and Darren have a son together, who has just had his first child with Tara Kat and she was born with blonde hair and Tara's green eyes. I believe both Darren's parents had black hair, and I thought Bob Newbie was either brown or ginger, and Betty's is black. SimPE does't seem to want to open in my laptop so I can't investigate further. According to the wiki, the only Sim with blonde hair in the Broke family (on Brandi's side) was Vadim Simovitch! - the great-great-grandfather of little Tabby Kat.

Meh, I just felt like the question was too stupid to have it's own thread. I'm going to make a thread in the "Sims 2 Help" section if no one knows how to fix it here. Thanks though.

Edit: I fixed it!!! There's a little button that says "Reset Layout" I clicked it and it was fixed

Sorry MileyTheSimmer, I was going to try to point you to that button, but I had Body Shop loaded, so I couldn't load SimPE to check exactly where the button was. It's a very small button and easy to miss, but it's invaluable when you can't find what you're looking for in SimPE.

It's definitely not imaginary, and it's not limited to cleaning skill. It's also not limited to dating, I've gotten it from scored outings. Where it may be hiding in the code though, who knows. I would guess hidden somewhere in some part of the timed-event scoring system for NL-things, but it ought to be trackable by following all the things called by the end date bhav. If you want to you could remind me about it sometime this summer and I'll see if I can find it. I'd like to look at it now, but so much work to do. I'm allowing myself to read the forum, but no touching SimPE or the game.

Bless you, gummilutt, for even making the offer. I'm going to actually put it on my calendar to ask later whether you might have time. Thank you! For the time being then, I will consider that there is no need for me to run a date or outing marathon to find the pattern there. Which frankly is already no small favor you've done me!