That feature would be having the option to have neurotypical or neurodivergent sims. I know there's a few that are kind of neurodivergent like the Kleptomaniac, shyness and neatness traits. It would have been cool if you could make your sim autistic or have ADHD.

Note: Not meant to be offensive, I have autism myself.

Hmm, what's your stance on Schizophrenia and its cousin Bipolar Schizoaffective then? @nitromon

Hmmm
https://news.mit.edu/2014/inside-adult-adhd-brain-0610
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...70216105919.htm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19627998/
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...0049-4/fulltext

Anyway, carry on with the sims discussion.

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What the hell happened here?


I don't think introducing personality disorders as such would be a great idea, because there are too many of them and symptoms vary among individuals, so it would be difficult to set one particular set of behaviours, reactions or animations which would work for everyone.

I agree, I wasn't thinking when I posted this last night.

Personally I think that traits should have had broken down into levels of strengths, since I feel like some of them are either too strong, or missing some more negative effects that come along with a more extreme version of a otherwise positive trait (aka 'Nice').

So Neat could have been broken down into Neat (Automatically cleans up messes), and then maybe Clean Freak (Takes longer to do things, automatically cleans even without messes).

Same with Insane, the base trait is too strong, and could have been broken down into Eccentric (Not the AMB trait, but where they might perform some inappropriate behaviours at times), and then Insane, Frugal > Miserly, Perfectionist > Obsessively Compulsive, Messy > Slobby etc.

The interesting thing is that these various traits could then be combined into various larger personalities, or even disorders.

Yeah, definitely regret this.

Yeah, maybe even a trait strength slider (how much the AI pushes its traits) could be vastly more useful than an all-or-nothing trait approach...which sort of brings us part circle back to the TS1-2 personality chart.

Witnessed it in my game concerning trait priorities. My childish Sim also has a genius trait and rarely uses his childish trait, A.I. wise. Then there was a time when he relied heavily on his childish trait when dealing with an annoying friend. Regardless of the pairing of traits, each Sim A.I. can use as much or as little of each trait they possess and it depends on various factors. Then again when I play TS3 I still play connected to the internet so maybe there is something more to that than meets the eye, such as some sort of A.I. server which may support further learning from an outside source than just in-game. Or I'm just letting my imagination run wild, lol.

Please no, not Autistic sims , please no !
I fall into the Autistic Umbrella...I really hate my condition. I do not want people play with us, especially as Austistic, I already play as Autistic. They won't understand, they'll be bored !
And they do, that's why I post my story no more, nothing interesting (no woohoo, a world in a world, no love relashionship etc etc) , just the same, the same and the same. (now I understand why my story had never been read ahahah but at that time I ignored I was)
So if you're Autistic you already play Autistic because we don't escape from our condition.

I rather play with a sims that have a broken arm, or a broken ankle for instance, and wear a "plaster" for a certain while, that's more funny !

I know some neurodivergent traits are totally moraly questionable especially traits are exaggerate and are burlesque but ...I appreciate the funny of them. I find them "cool" too. These traits and sims bring so much interesting behaviours to this game, they break the routine.
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@nitromon : Ah Scientology
I have no hate on these people, people are free to believe what they want, but they rather shut them up , because Niacin + Vitamins, + Sauna + Auditions never heals people...quite a contrary. They need a psychiatrist because they are lost (they are anti-psychiatry of course, they make people crazy)
Yes, the world knows too much about them ...they cannot hide and lie anymore. But I repeat believe in what you want okay? That's fine !

I don't know much about ADHD, but the few I read is a condition that is close to Autism .Nothing about a chemical imbalance, but we can call this condition , as hmm , specific developement troubles. (I am sorry my English sucks).
So the behaviour is divergent due to how the neurons and the brain work, understand the information around them? As us...
So the drug given is as a relief... the same for Austist with antidepressants.

Everyone in my family has ADHD: both my parents, me, and probably both of my kids. My mother was an excellent mother and I am doing a pretty good job too. We're not bad people, we're just different. ADHD isn't a developmental stage and it isn't just poor impulse control. We can't see it in an autopsy because of it works in real time on a cellular level. ADHD is in the brain, so cannot be diagnosed via a biopsy. The road to diagnosis is long and hard. It isn't done on a whim and the drugs given to help manage the condition aren't given on a whim either. You are not well informed. You are not a medical practitioner. You're just spreading stigma against neurodivergence on the internet.

If anyone would like to learn actual facts about ADHD and other neuro-psychological conditions, I highly recommend How To ADHD on youtube.

@tunafishfish: Don't let those people judging you and you're family, you don't need to justify yourself face to them.they are Ignorant that's @nitromon is trying to say us.

Last time I went to see my psychiatrist, in May, one of them, was standing still, one of the main avenue of my city ,sharing a leaflet, that promotes : "We only use 10% of our brain capacity".
Oh the legend ! We all know that an Epilepsy crisis (the shaking, the brain ceizure? I am sorry if it's offensive I am not mean to nobody here) uses 100% of our brain capacity...
I was thoughtful so I took it. The guy was weird. I said "bonjour !". He replied me back and his "bonjour" wasn't cheerful !
I read it, bullshit !! I was so angry I threw it into the first public bin I met in my way.
With a such mindset, that's obvious they got their mind twist in Mental Medecine in legend... By the way , Xenu is a legend, Thetans too.

Please you don't have to justify , we all know you're amazing and your family too !

For the Native English Speakers here, we can translate Bonjour as Good Afternoon because it was in the afternoon the scene occured.I bet even in English this is saying as the most cheerful way possible isn't it ? Yes I am French.

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Now what I want to know if : Allow me to suggest something : if Autistic trait would exist in the sims 3... What kind of gameplay enrichment this personality could bring to the game? I just want to know your opinion.
Examples :Being an expert on a subject.
Throw tantrums (perhaps it's negative to say this but my English is limited) when something this sims can't stand for.
Autonomously speaking about their specific interests . (I think this is already possible when somebody has gained skill points, they can talk about it, to the others and sharing knowledges)
Getting antistress ball and handspinners and Mind gaming as puzzle, construction gaming?
Unbalanced in walking?
Skin sensitivity?
Food troubles?

I won't judge you .
:lovestruc :lovestruc

I've raised a child with ADHD, and I'm not a bad parent. Why would you even write a sweeping generalisation like that?

ADHD is incredibly difficult for both the child and the family depending on the severity. They don't want to act out. They can't help it. My son's specialist pediatrician likened ADHD to a child standing in the middle of an empty room with a hundred people, and every one of them is screaming orders at them. The child doesn't know which way to turn or what to do. Aside from that, I'm not even going to explain the other difficulties trying to cope & raise a child with this issue because not only would it be an essay but with that kind of attitude I wouldn't even bother.
Suffice to say, my son is now a relatively calm, polite, fully self sufficient young man in his middle 20's who still suffers from extreme anxiety that often goes hand in hand with ADHD, and is still triggered by red food colourings but is otherwise an awesome person.

Edit - Also, I wouldn't listen to a damned thing Tom Cruise says. A string of nannies probably raised his kid, and he's talking wildly through his backside. I saw that interview back when it first came out. I thought he sounded like a stupid ass back then and I still think he sounds like a stupid ass now.

I wouldn't want this kind of thing, or related conditions in the sims. As was said above, many people play the game to escape their health issues and don't want to deal with it in their gaming life as well as their everyday life.

No point focusing on what nitromon said- I linked four articles that prove that wrong. It's factually incorrect, and what relevance Tom Cruise has to anything, I'm not sure.

@luciesims That's so kind of you! I just got angry when I saw what he said.

Couldn't agree more

My pleasure ! Truth is told. :lovestruc
And your anger against them is LE-GIT
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We bear enough to be neurodivergent in this ableist world , that we have to become deaf to the self-claiming "knowing-it" people , especially from sects.
They are not doctors either scientists, already our psychiatrists, psychologists, and other neuro-psy's lack of knowledge to really , do what they can to help us to have a balance and the most casual everyday life possible, whoare they , Gurus to claim to be better than people who are dedicated to search for understanding our difference, the origin of it and everyday, meanwhile to get the answers, try to give us the best and appropriate support we need and the education , our family, us patients and the rest of the world needs to know to stop their prejudice/misunderstanding on us.

I think I remember another topic talking about trait combinations and creating varying personality types. That's likely the closest someone may get to wanting to play a Sim of their liking. There are a lot of traits that can be used, for example, Asperger's Syndrome and OCD. Of course there are many differences even with those who have autism and no one is exactly the same, not to mention everyone is their own person, not their diagnosis.

Hopeless Romantic - So I've read that some are lonely and more likely to want to be in a relationship
Loner- Usually because they are different, they can get picked on and so on, so it's best to keep company with oneself if one cannot find real friends. Or one who mostly prefers their own company.
Loser - Specifically for the lower chances of success and more negative events happening to them at work and/or school. (To simulate the struggle some can have in life.)
Shy - Uncomfortable around large crowds which can be too stimulating and make them want to retreat to their room or where ever they can get to be alone and have peace and quiet
Socially Awkward - Sometimes while socializing saying the wrong thing can make the whole interaction awkward
Over-Emotional - Sometimes life can be overwhelming
Absent-Minded - Sometimes being a lot more forgetful as one can get easily distracted by anything and everything
Artistic - Creative pursuits can be common in those who are autistic
Gatherer - Some like to collect, in the Sims it could be gems, seeds, animals, rocks or could skip the trait and play pretend with anything really. Books, toys, sculptures, plants/flowers, whatever.
Neurotic - This trait I suppose acts like anxiety.
Clumsy - Some are not so great at eye and hand coordination and lack grace
Brooding - It seems some on the autistic spectrum live quite thoughtful lives concerning introspection and can sometimes feel misunderstood
Commitment Issues - Some have difficulties sticking to one interest, job for long or some prefer their freedom in life without being held back by anyone who would require a lot of time, attention, love and care.
Genius - It can be common to find some of those with autism are naturally gifted finding ease concerning some skills, interests such as engineering/mathematics/art/music, etc; Some are information seekers
Virtuoso - Some excel in music
Perceptive - Though this trait is used for the investigation profession, perception tends to be a noticeable trait in some individuals
Etc.

There's more if one wants to be specific about a special interest such a dog lover. Maybe they have a favorite breed or something. Sometimes Sims will develop their own OCD over objects, hobby, etc as well. Though there is a difference between when it's A.I. or the coding of an object advertised too high.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the inclusion of various differences if it is done well and educates. Player options are important, so hopefully if ever a new life simulator would exist, they give players total control how to play their game without denying those that do want to play with certain gameplay features. I don't really know much about autism, Asperger's Syndrome or ADHD, but lately I've been questioning if I am autistic, so I looked up some videos of those who have autism and listened to their stories. I was surprised by how much I could relate with experiences from my own life. So I took two different online tests that said was good in accuracy about detecting autism, which both tests said I scored high on the autism spectrum, specifically Asperger's Syndrome and OCD. What's confusing though is I'm very empathic and I understand my own emotions and can pick up on the emotions of others. Though that is not the case for some because again everyone is different. I also have no issues with social interaction though I do sometimes have social anxiety or awkwardness depending on the context. But I prefer being a loner pretty much lost in my own world.

I vividly remember around the age of 3 my mother taking me to the pediatrician and asking her if I was okay because I don't talk and I should be talking at this point. The pediatrician asked my mother if I do what she tells me, like do I understand what is being said, and my mother said well, yes. So the pediatrician looked at me and I looked at her back and then she told my mother not to worry because some children just choose not to talk yet and will when they are ready to. So after that, the following days my mother would hound me into talking and I remember having a very thorough thought life and being really annoyed she wasn't listening to the pediatrician and knowing what she was doing, but I didn't want to talk. So one day I think she says something like, it's not like you are going to answer me and I'm thinking she's just not going to stop. So I said something and she's like, "Oh, you can talk?" and I'm like, "Yeah. I can talk." Then I had no choice to talk because then she would say I know you can talk, don't ignore me. Ugh. I was obsessed with books at that age and would be in my room practicing reading and talking alone.

Something else I remember is when I was around 4, I had a whole room full of toys yet my favorites things to play with were...shoes, lol. All the shoes even had names. Well, at age 10 (Oh 10, a new first.) is when I came to the realization that I was different and it felt like I didn't belong here and no matter how much I try, I never fit in. Then that's when my anxiety and panic attacks began after coming to the conclusion that this is how my life will always be. And yeah, I was indeed correct, lol. And at that time I also understood after much introspection that trying to be like someone else wasn't me and I love who I am even when others don't and I shouldn't change for anyone. It feels good, for a lack of better way of explaining it, that I'm not the only one who has/is going through this and it's unfortunate how heartless some people can be or just are but they fail to realize they do far more damage to themselves. But you know, misery loves company and they do so love to project onto others. It's very telling they are unhappy in life.

I love being different, I don't need anyone to like me, accept me, love me but the One Above and Me. But I am blessed to have had my mother's love. :lovestruc

I don't think TS3 sim behaviour is complex enough for this kind of mental diversity. The traits are also quite generic (slob, neat) or even cartoonish (evil). To me, TS3 seems more like a caricature of life, in which real life modern mental diagnoses don't really seem to fit. But you could always try to mod the game to your preference ofc.

I suppose the question to ask is: How do traits influence the A.I. part of the Sim or does it at all? Traits are like a guide of instructions that a Sim can follow, however traits are not instructions set in stone without any possibility of deviancy. Which is why Sims are more than their traits because they do have actual personalities completely outside of player chosen traits; not to mention their own wishes outside the wish system. I observe this in my game all the time, especially knowing it helps to know what has happened in my Sims lives to better get a grasp on the big picture in terms of the possible reason(s) for why they act and react the way they do.

An example from my game is when my Sim Genesis who has the good trait, intentionally used his ex-wife to stir up gossip of betrayal to his then girlfriend, Ainsley, by asking his ex to watch the stars. They eventually broke up and moved on with life, be that as it may, are still friends since having a child together. From my observation, Genesis was being mistreated in the relationship by Ainsley (She would purposefully ignore his wants in the relationship but expected her wants to be met.) and he got tired of it so did all that autonomously to attempt a change in her behavior or missing that intimate connection she kept denying him or break up since I don't play with any kind of story progression. Likely the former and middle now that I think about it some more and closer examine the screenshots that follow. The traits and A.I. are two separate features that can work independently but can cooperate as well.




Another example of TS3 being more than capable of complex behavior:

Daichi trying to manipulate Choice into making a impulsive decision despite knowing she has made it clear she wants commitment before woohoo.


While traits are not as in-depth as the A.I., it still plays a role in a Sim's behavior.