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#1 Old 20th Oct 2024 at 7:19 PM
Default Simple skirt separates for 18th-C. Native American Sims
I'm looking for bottoms-only, tight-fitting, straight-lined (read: wraparound), ~calf-length skirts in solid colors.

In my search for period-appropriate dress for my 18th Century Native American Sims, I've found that separate outfit parts seem to be the way to go... I'm not a mesher, and nobody who is will have made the outfits that I need - it's too strange of a combination. So I mix and match.

For European women of the period, you can probably picture the fancy dresses worn at Versailles, with the big skirts. The indigenous women here, when they adopted European clothing, adopted men's shirts, first and foremost, and their skirts were cut to fit under those shirts. See the photo of my friends Chris and Lorelei, from a 1998 trip to France that we took, to tour the old forts on the Atlantic coast. Their skirts are made from wool trade cloth, and decorated with ribbons and trade silver. In colder weather, short leggings made of the same wool could be worn under the skirts. Since outfit bottoms usually come with shoes, they'd have to be of the simple variety, to fit under (be hidden by) the "Low Boot" accessory mesh that I use in place of moccasins, for my Native Sims' footwear. A you can see, there's not much of the skirt even showing (the shirts were long, for reasons I won't go into here), so the design and color are a minor concern. The main thing is for skirts to be tight enough not to clip through the long-tailed 18th-century shirts that I use, from Almighty Hat.

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#2 Old 21st Oct 2024 at 4:10 PM
Do you have a link to the tops you're using? Otherwise it's hard to tell what might fit under them.

Are you looking for skirts similar to this? Or this?

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#3 Old 22nd Oct 2024 at 3:44 AM Last edited by chitownriverscum : 22nd Oct 2024 at 4:18 AM.
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
Do you have a link to the tops you're using? Otherwise it's hard to tell what might fit under them.

Are you looking for skirts similar to this? Or this?



I'll try to find a link for the shirt... it was either from Almighty Hat, or Heget.
The first skirt mesh you have there is pretty close to what I want, as long as it could be in one of the basic colors: red and navy blue were predominant.

I believe it's Almighty Hat's top-only split shirt: there's several ages there. It's not quite the correct collar type, but it's top-only, which is key for using it with a skirt-only bottom.

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I wraps my hair around my bare,
And down the road I goes.
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#4 Old 22nd Oct 2024 at 2:59 PM
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#5 Old 23rd Oct 2024 at 1:45 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
The first skirt mesh is from Skell, here.

Original AF https://www.medievalsims.com/forums...hp?f=225&t=5646
CF and recolours https://www.medievalsims.com/forums...&p=63413#p63413
TF https://www.medievalsims.com/forums...hp?f=224&t=6171


I looked at those, because I looked at everything on PBK tagged "skirt". They don't look like the one in your first bodyshop screenshot - the hems are raggedy.

Coincidentally, I think the original mesh of my shirts was a Skell one, recolored by Hat.

My beard grows to my toes; I never wears no clothes.
I wraps my hair around my bare,
And down the road I goes.
-Shel Silverstein
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#6 Old 23rd Oct 2024 at 3:36 AM
Quote: Originally posted by chitownriverscum
I looked at those, because I looked at everything on PBK tagged "skirt". They don't look like the one in your first bodyshop screenshot - the hems are raggedy.

Coincidentally, I think the original mesh of my shirts was a Skell one, recolored by Hat.
Skellington's skirt mesh isn't ragged itself. She used an editable alpha layer to produce the ragged effect. It's 2:30 in the morning in Scotland so I'm not going to try to do anything with it just now but I'll try to look at it tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure Charity could make you nice non-ragged red and navy blue recolours of it if you ask her very nicely. It looks like she's already done a beige/brown one. (Maybe you should ask her in a PM, as we're not supposed to do requests in the forum!)

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#7 Old 23rd Oct 2024 at 5:36 AM
Quote: Originally posted by AndrewGloria
Skellington's skirt mesh isn't ragged itself. She used an editable alpha layer to produce the ragged effect. It's 2:30 in the morning in Scotland so I'm not going to try to do anything with it just now but I'll try to look at it tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure Charity could make you nice non-ragged red and navy blue recolours of it if you ask her very nicely. It looks like she's already done a beige/brown one. (Maybe you should ask her in a PM, as we're not supposed to do requests in the forum!)


Ah, gotcha! I know next to nothing about meshing, and I wondered whether it'd be something like that. And then when I downloaded it, the mesh was actually called "ragged"... so you see my confusion. Thanks for the explanation.

My beard grows to my toes; I never wears no clothes.
I wraps my hair around my bare,
And down the road I goes.
-Shel Silverstein
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#8 Old 23rd Oct 2024 at 11:44 AM
I basically hacked the ragged bit off by changing the alpha, so you could get the idea of it. I did brown because western movies have taught me that those are the right colours lol. The other dress I showed you was an edit as well.

I wasn't going to bother doing any more in case they weren't what you wanted, but I can fix them so they don't clip with the long tops (the non fat morph does, slightly) and try and make them a bit longer, as I just hacked off the longer bit with the jagged edge. The recolours already come in red and blue.
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#9 Old 23rd Oct 2024 at 10:29 PM
I tried unsuccessfully to locate stills from my long-ago History Channel experience - where there were a good handful of women wearing these skirts - but here are three other examples.

My friend Beckie modeling a simple stroud-cloth skirt, utilizing the white stripe - where the clamp was attached at the cloth dyer's workshop in England - as the lone decoration:


A painting by Robert Griffing (who uses re-enactors as his models). There's even less of the skirt showing on this little girl than there would be on an adult:


Charles Bird King's 1827 portrait of Tshusick, an Ojibwa confidence trickster who notoriously bilked a large number of Washington A-Listers out of cash and gifts, including the First Lady. More of an embellished look, but possibly some artistic license happening as well.


Anyhow, mostly variations on the basic design, some just more decorated than others.
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#10 Old 24th Oct 2024 at 2:11 AM
Sorry @Charity if I kind of dropped you in it, volunteering you to make these, but, looking at your post #2 above, I felt you had already made a start! And it has to be said you're much better at clothes recolours than I am. Most of the time I'm just doing alpha edits to make them skimpier and more revealing!

I'm fascinated to know where you got the skirt texture for the Sim on the left in post #2. I can't find any plain colours for adults. Did you just use one of skell's teen textures? (I know you can use a teen texture with an adult mesh ,provided that the meshes are equivalent. My one and only item shared on Pumbbob Keep, an Adult conversion of ladylarkrune's male teen loincloths, simply uses ladylarkrune's textures unaltered with tiggerypum's adult loincloth mesh, also unaltered.)

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#11 Old 24th Oct 2024 at 6:39 PM
Quote: Originally posted by AndrewGloria
I'm fascinated to know where you got the skirt texture for the Sim on the left in post #2. I can't find any plain colours for adults. Did you just use one of skell's teen textures? (I know you can use a teen texture with an adult mesh ,provided that the meshes are equivalent. My one and only item shared on Pumbbob Keep, an Adult conversion of ladylarkrune's male teen loincloths, simply uses ladylarkrune's textures unaltered with tiggerypum's adult loincloth mesh, also unaltered.)


They're in the link that says 'CF and recolours'.
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#12 Old 25th Oct 2024 at 4:14 PM
Alright, what do you think of this?

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#13 Old 27th Oct 2024 at 2:14 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
Alright, what do you think of this?



Looks really great to me! I can't tell you how much I've been looking forward to this. My Sims have been running around in just the shirts, which - especially in the snow - makes me shiver just to look at them.

Would barefoot be possible? I have an accessory shoe...

My beard grows to my toes; I never wears no clothes.
I wraps my hair around my bare,
And down the road I goes.
-Shel Silverstein
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#14 Old 27th Oct 2024 at 5:06 PM
It is barefoot. I just stuck my accessory Roman Sandals on it (which I made after you were looking for Roman era shoes, IIRC XD).

Just got a few things to finish up.
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#15 Old 27th Oct 2024 at 11:23 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
It is barefoot. I just stuck my accessory Roman Sandals on it (which I made after you were looking for Roman era shoes, IIRC XD).


I mean, they are good-looking sandals...

My beard grows to my toes; I never wears no clothes.
I wraps my hair around my bare,
And down the road I goes.
-Shel Silverstein
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