I was discussing this with some other sims modders, and Lazy Dutchess thought that the thing to do would be to "roll back" the randomizer when producing the second sim. Basically, instead of copy/pasting the data from the first onto the second, it would create the first, then sorta "undo" the re-randomizing to create a second sim as an identical twin. She said, in theory (the great caveat!), it's feasible to do.


I'm told that this isn't exactly the case anymore... the "make new character" primitive has, in fact, been disassembled, and can be modded now.

Oh, and the disagreeable poster, i think, has been going back for a couple days. There's a lot of red marks, and not just on the one page. hahah


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I really wish Mootilda was still here, she would have loved this!

Shhhh! Let's not wake them up!

@simsample
Here is how I see the advantage of the first born syndrome to have identical twins: https://s2idownloads.blogspot.com/2...yndrom.html?m=1

Indeed the babies are clones from eachother but personalities, lifetime wish, hobby... can easily be changed with insiminator and tons of tools like that.

Let the sim give birth to one baby. Save and close the game. Start the game and go back to that household. Let the sim give birth again with insiminator (she can have a baby literaly instantly) and you have twins like you described.
No you cant save the game while the sim has twins, but you can use that workaround I just described.

Yes, that's what I mentioned there in my post you quoted- you are using two consecutive pregnancies to simulate a twin birth, which is the only way you could do it I think.


This bit of your tutorial wouldn't work though- you'd need to reboot and restart the game if you didn't get the correct gender, because the randomizer will be run for a second time if you exit to neighbourhood and reload the lot.

Any source on this?

Okay I'll change that. Thanks!

Sure! My source was just a group discussion on identical twins, which Lazy Dutchess -- who knows FAR more on this topic than I would ever hope to, added her thoughts:



I defer to her, because I'm no whiz on modding and she definitely is! Sorry I can't offer any more depth. I'm more like a parrot, squawking what i heard repetitively.


-gE
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That's a great little guide- I'm saving the link!

Yes, that's what I thought, you can mod it if you want to disassemble it yourself and do the kind of hacking the Lazy Duchess is doing, but you can't casually mod it the way you can mod the rest of the game. I'm sure anything is possible if you want to spend enough time disassembling stuff.

Okay.
I guess...

But you stated, unequivocally, it's not possible... then say, you thought all along that it was possible.
To me, i can't "casually" create slots. But i wouldn't say it "can't be" done.


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Yes, you can create slots within the existing modding framework that we have for modding the game. You can't mod the create new character primitive within that framework.

I suppose you could let the parents have twins, when they age up to toddler, kill them off, and delete any bad memories & family ties in SimPE.

Open up Bodyshop and create the identical twins' facial base you want so they'll match. Load up CAS, create them both, and a townie to babysit them for a minute, and move them into a lot. Then either add them to the proper Sims' family, add family ties, or put them into the adoption pool, and adopt them that way. Then marry off the extra adult Sim or put them into townie pool.

While more complicated, and slightly sinister killing toddlers, it's a solution!

Hmm, but why would you do that, rather than sim surgery, to make one twin look like the other? I believe there's a way to make those facial changes you make in sim surgery genetic, too. Isn't there?

Or if you just want to skip Sim Surgery and go for the twin thing, here's a hack by Christianlov:
https://modthesims.info/d/284572/si...e-selector.html

Far faster and easier.

But then there's no memory of the second baby being born.

Pretty sure you can ADD memories with SimPE as well? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, for the bed boost thing, maybe just an object that detects all bed objects on the lot and lets you select the energy and comfort levels for all? Rather than trying to create invisible mattresses and seperate beds. Considering there's options for individual rooms for lights (I think, I could be thinking of TS3 lol), perhaps like a similar detection, it could go by per room basis as well? Like "set level for lot" and if you place the modded object in a certain room, "set level for this room" kinda thing. I don't even know if any of that's really possible, just throwing an idea out there, lol.

edit: just realized Phantom already mentioned something similar!

I do wonder if that would be possible though, I mean if there's similar coding for detecting things in certain rooms already like the lights and fire alarms?

I read a comment from back in the 2009 topic, and I wonder if the issue with haircuts being the same is only a problem when you play without CC (or just with defaults that don't have extra ages attached), because I've never had that issue while using CC (I've never cared much about rolling the pacifier), or at least not after one of the EPs (I think some things changed after either Pets or Seasons).

I used to have the issue with identical haircuts back in my early days of simming, but only when I played without CC. I think that's because of how the default hairs are put together. When the game has more toddler hairs to pick from, you get more randomized hairs.

My sims used to get more or less identical haircuts, but there were very few to pick from and if there's only 3-5 toddler hairs to pick from (not counting the hats, I don't think all of those are randomly assigned), and those again are linked to spesific styles for kids and then teens, there aren't too many hairs you can get.

Adding memories in SimPE is not what every simmer knows or dares to do. I know people who run The Sims 2 smoothly, but can't get SimPE to run.
I didn't say it's not possible to add a memory. It's just not really user friendly that way.

Remember KNOWLEDGE aspiration perk that allowes you to TRANSFER skills/knowledge? I wish (at least as option) that sims who are being given lectures/knowledge transfer sit on chairs or sofas.

Custom Lifetime Aspirations! Definitely!

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I would like to be able to CHOOSE; like, gruel for every meal, in my slum-dungeon of dorm.
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I wish there was a button on these threads for "I sympathize"..it seems so dumb to reply to a person's sad story with "I agree". AND I really wish "Disagree" required the NAME of the disagreer, and WHY they are saying so! I suspect we would see "Fake Frank, and I hate everything".
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Yes, I'm lookin at YOU, Fake Frank (and Fat Fanny?)

I've likely mentioned this before, but realistic-looking wheelchair ramps would be nice. When I build for looks I wanna go all the way!

As other simmers told me years ago, use the "love" button. I used to be the same/very similar and wanted more types of buttons under posts to better accurately reflect my feelings, but as I've hung around MTS over the years, you sort of learn to make do. Each button means more than what it says. So "love" for example can mean everything from literally "love that" to "you're so right," "thanks," "your welcome," or "hugs." And probably some more stuff I haven't thought of.

But the same for disagree--it can mean a bunch of stuff, too. But people tend to take that red button personally (and it's hard not to) so, at least around here, people tend to save it to mean "you're factually incorrect" or "that's inappropriate." And that kinda reinforces the bad feelings around the disagree button, because you don't see it so often. But again, it could mean a bunch of things. It could be some new simmers, using the button to say they don't share an opinion, not realizing that on this forum, if that happens, it's more acceptable/good etiquette to just say nothing and leave the post alone. But it could also be a bot, or a troll, or it could be someone with poor motor skills accidentally hitting buttons. Again, there's a bunch of reasons. But requiring someone to explain why they hit a certain button, kinda defeats the point of having the button to begin with--you use it in lieu of a regular post and words. In the end we just have to roll with it and remember not to take buttons too personally, especially the disagree button.

Anyway, @StrangeTownChick, what's a realistic ramp look like? I can only think of that one by beosboxboy, which looks like something I might have seen at a library or something, a few years ago.