Originally Posted by Amura

Out of topic, I know, but...
Has someone disagreed with each and every post in this page? o_O

Originally Posted by Phantomknight

simsample, I don't think you can save in between births in a multiple birth pregnancy. The way to do it, I think, is that you have a single birth, and use cheats to make the sim pregnant/give birth again immediately after. Because the randomizer is broken, the baby from the second birth should be the exact same as the first, if the gender is the same.

Originally Posted by Mootilda

The game has a number of different randomizers for different things, including personality, genetics, sex, etc. There's an bug in the personality randomizer, which Pes documented. After doing some research, I'm convinced that there is also a bug in the genetics randomizer. However, the sex randomizer seems to work correctly.

The problem is that computers are not very good at being random. Instead, they are really great at doing exactly the same thing every time.

Randomizers work as follows: You provide an initial "seed" value. After that, each call to the randomizer runs an algorithm (mathematical formula) on the existing value to produce a new value. If the seed value is the same each time you run the program, then the set of "random" numbers generated will be the same, every single time.

Because of this, you want to use a random number as the seed. But remember, computers are really bad at being random, so where do you get this "random" seed? Often programmers will seed the randomizer with the time, which is likely to be random.

(Note that the time is not always a reasonable "random" seed. For example, I've heard of problems because a gambling program was started automatically at the exact same time every day. Instead of random numbers, the exact same numbers were being generated every time. Someone noticed the pattern and used that bug to win a lot of money.)

Unfortunately, it looks like the genetics seed is always the same value, which means that the "random" numbers will not be random at all. Since we don't have access to the seed, which is inside the EXE, the only other option for getting a random number is to run the randomizer a random number of times. That's why you roll the pacifier a random number of times when you start the game; you are basically running each of the randomizers when you roll the pacifier.

The Batbox does basically the same thing, because it runs the Make New Character primitive, which in turn runs each of the randomizers.

Originally Posted by Mootilda

Yes, the batbox creates a "random" number of sims, which it then discards. Unfortunately, it looks like the batbox is using a broken random number generator, so the "random" number of sims is exactly the same every time.

Originally Posted by Phantomknight

I do wonder if that could be changed now, with the randomizer fix. Seems like it should be possible anyway.

Originally Posted by grinevilly

I'm told that this isn't exactly the case anymore... the "make new character" primitive has, in fact, been disassembled, and can be modded now.

Originally Posted by simsample

It's everything- it seems that most of the randomizers in-game are broken:
http://www.modthesims.info/showthre...122#post5095122
In this thread are some pictures from when my daughter and I tested the firstborn effect on our computers; Mootilda did some digging into the code and found what I summarised in the above post.
https://modthesims.info/showthread....842#post2251842
Of course LazyDuchess has fixed this now with dll injection, but in an unmodded game if you boot up the game and immediately have two sims give birth to a baby, then reboot the game and repeat, the face and personality and genetics will always be identical (unless something happens to roll the in-game randomizer, such as spawning an NPC).

My post above was just questioning whether it's possible to save in between birthing twins. If it is, then you could (in the unmodded game) save before twin #1, reboot and birth twin #1, save and reboot and then birth twin #2, and have genetically identical twins each time. Their personalities would always be the same but you can change those easily enough in-game.

If you don't save, exit and reload the game in-between birthing each twin (or indeed before having the first one, as normal game play can randomize them), then the game randomizers will be triggered from the first birth, and will give a different result for the second twin.

Originally Posted by lientebollemeis

Let the sim give birth to one baby. Save and close the game. Start the game and go back to that household. Let the sim give birth again with insiminator (she can have a baby literaly instantly) and you have twins like you described.
No you cant save the game while the sim has twins, but you can use that workaround I just described.

Originally Posted by lientebollemeis

Of course you need to make sure that the babies have the same sex. (Save before birth, go back in the house and if it's not the right gender, leave without saving and go back in the house,...).

Originally Posted by grinevilly

I'm told that this isn't exactly the case anymore... the "make new character" primitive has, in fact, been disassembled, and can be modded now.

Originally Posted by simsample

Yes, that's what I mentioned there in my post you quoted- you are using two consecutive pregnancies to simulate a twin birth, which is the only way you could do it I think.


This bit of your tutorial wouldn't work though- you'd need to reboot and restart the game if you didn't get the correct gender, because the randomizer will be run for a second time if you exit to neighbourhood and reload the lot.

Originally Posted by kestrellyn

Any source on this?

Originally Posted by lientebollemeis

Okay I'll change that. Thanks!

Originally Posted by grinevilly

Sure! My source was just a group discussion on identical twins, which Lazy Dutchess -- who knows FAR more on this topic than I would ever hope to, added her thoughts:



I defer to her, because I'm no whiz on modding and she definitely is! Sorry I can't offer any more depth. I'm more like a parrot, squawking what i heard repetitively.


-gE
>=)

Originally Posted by kestrellyn

Yes, that's what I thought, you can mod it if you want to disassemble it yourself and do the kind of hacking the Lazy Duchess is doing, but you can't casually mod it the way you can mod the rest of the game. I'm sure anything is possible if you want to spend enough time disassembling stuff.

Originally Posted by FranH

Or if you just want to skip Sim Surgery and go for the twin thing, here's a hack by Christianlov:
https://modthesims.info/d/284572/si...e-selector.html

Far faster and easier.

Originally Posted by lientebollemeis

But then there's no memory of the second baby being born.

Originally Posted by Alpal425

Pretty sure you can ADD memories with SimPE as well? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, for the bed boost thing, maybe just an object that detects all bed objects on the lot and lets you select the energy and comfort levels for all? Rather than trying to create invisible mattresses and seperate beds. Considering there's options for individual rooms for lights (I think, I could be thinking of TS3 lol), perhaps like a similar detection, it could go by per room basis as well? Like "set level for lot" and if you place the modded object in a certain room, "set level for this room" kinda thing. I don't even know if any of that's really possible, just throwing an idea out there, lol.

edit: just realized Phantom already mentioned something similar!

I do wonder if that would be possible though, I mean if there's similar coding for detecting things in certain rooms already like the lights and fire alarms?