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simsample
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#76 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 10:22 AM
AndrewGloria
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#77 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 11:36 AM
@simsample : That looks like the cab of a diesel or electric locomotive -- a place where I spent a lot of my time in my 20s! In an emergency -- like an imminent collision, you might have to do that: abandon the front cab and go through the engine room to the rear cab. I've known a couple of drivers who've had to do that. One was when the brakes failed when going down the steep hill into Glasgow Queen Street Station. Not a pleasant situation to be in!
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Charity
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#78 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 12:17 PM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
Are we back to the "but X said Y, and Z got hung up in how it was said, and then X said it wasn't meant that way (getting meanings across is sometimes difficult, especially on the interwebz) and everything should in theory be okay, but for some reason the exact wording still matters very much to Z and they can't let it go" thing again?


Yes lol.

Quote: Originally posted by HobbesED
Can someone PLEASE lock this thread? It's devolved so far from the original topic of trying to log on to Insim that it's not even funny now.


Plus it drives me nuts every time it pops up again with Insimenator spelled wrong in the title! XD
simmer22
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#79 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 2:54 PM Last edited by simmer22 : 26th Nov 2025 at 3:21 PM.
(Someone is in the abovementioned ^ mood again, and I just don't have it in me today to argue about an unrelated topic - I did provide links for a reason).

Quote: Originally posted by Charity
Plus it drives me nuts every time it pops up again with Insimenator spelled wrong in the title! XD


Didn't even notice
Charity
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#80 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 3:03 PM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
Didn't even notice


Well, to be fair, if I didn't notice then I should look for a new job. I'm a Proofreader.
simmer22
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#81 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 3:23 PM
Quote: Originally posted by Charity
Well, to be fair, if I didn't notice then I should look for a new job. I'm a Proofreader.


It's just one missing letter, so easy to overlook.
I frequently switch around letters when I type, then go back and edit the post when I do notice
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#82 Old 26th Nov 2025 at 11:36 PM
Quote: Originally posted by simsample



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kestrellyn
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#83 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 12:10 AM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
(Someone is in the abovementioned ^ mood again, and I just don't have it in me today to argue about an unrelated topic - I did provide links for a reason).


None of your links support your unscientific claim that modern American English is descended from modern British English. If you don't want to be corrected, don't say things that are obviously wrong.
simmer22
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#84 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 1:06 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 1:34 AM.
Quote: Originally posted by kestrellyn
None of your links support your unscientific claim that modern American English is descended from modern British English. If you don't want to be corrected, don't say things that are obviously wrong.


Didn't say it was the modern versions, just that A. English wouldn't exist without B. English (as in, the English language wouldn't have spontaneously appeared in America some 400-ish years ago without the brits going about their way). The language versions have diverged and changed over the past few hundred years, as language tends to do, but it's still versions of English (from older versions of English all the way up to modern versions).

Is that enough clarification? If not, first + second paragraph here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compa...British_English


Maybe it's time to let this topic go extinct now?
kestrellyn
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#85 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 1:19 AM
British English is the modern version. Earlier versions are not called "British English" they are called other things, like Early Modern English, or Middle English, or Old English. If for some reason English had stopped being spoken in Britain, and Early Modern English had never evolved into modern British English, that wouldn't in fact have prevented American English from evolving in America, because that happened separately.
simmer22
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#86 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 2:50 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 3:18 AM.
kestrellyn
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#87 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 2:59 AM
Obviously things were called by different names in the past. That doesn't change the fact that British English is a different form of English than Early Modern English, and it is not an ancestor of American English. You're the one who's arguing semantics, here. Early Modern English is Early Modern English and not modern British English, and the fact that it used to be called by a different name does not change that.
simmer22
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#88 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 3:48 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 4:10 AM.
kestrellyn
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#89 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 4:03 AM
British English is a modern language. American English is also a modern language. These terms do not refer to any historical variation of English. You were not talking about Early Modern English, because you did not in fact say Early Modern English. You said British English, which is a modern language and not a historical one.

The Middle English period is generally accepted to have ended in the 15th century, which would have been before there were any English speakers of any variety living in North America.
simmer22
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#90 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 4:52 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 5:04 AM.


Going (somewhat) back on track, does anyone have kids' programs in their area that have reading and books heavily featured?

I can't think of any programs in particular (other than shows that feature the alphabet, like Sesame street and similar), but we did have some where there would be some sort of story time, maybe reading from a book or showing standstill pictures while someone were telling a story in the background.

I think I'd like a series like Reading Rainbows when I was a kid. Always loved reading.
FranH
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#91 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 5:01 AM
Quote:
Maybe it's time to let this topic go extinct now?


For the love of all that is holy:

STOP THE THREAD!

Please, mods, lock this thing down and put it in the rubbish bin.
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#92 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 5:45 AM
If you admit that you don't know what you're taking about here and had to do research just to respond to what I said, why did you decide to butt in in the first place and insist that a linguist was wrong about linguistics? And now you're continuing to argue semantics and insist that you weren't really wrong. You were really wrong. American English does not descend directly from modern British English, they share a common ancestor. You can just say that you were wrong and spoke in ignorance, or I guess you can continue to argue semantics if you'd rather do that.
simmer22
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#93 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 6:33 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 7:06 AM.


Well about time to lock down the topic.
kestrellyn
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#94 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 7:04 AM
I'm simplifying this because this isn't a linguistics class, it's MTS, and it was just a small piece of information I added. For some reason you decided that you knew better than me and that you wanted to argue about something you don't know jack shit about.

Quote:
I haven't seen you present anything useful that actually goes against what I've said


You said that modern American English was the descendant of modern British English. It's not. There's really not much more to it than that, you are simply incorrect. Both are descendants of Early Modern English, which I think you know now that you've actually bothered to look it up, for some reason you are still here arguing that you weren't really wrong despite the fact that all of the information you linked here shows that you are wrong.
simmer22
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#95 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 7:10 AM
Quote: Originally posted by kestrellyn
You said that modern American English was the descendant of modern British English.


I didn't.
You did (say that I said this) at every twist and turn - and obviously read wrong, because I haven't said so at any point (and if I accidentally did, I've already clarified my meaning more than enough at this point.
kestrellyn
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#96 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 7:13 AM
If you weren't trying to argue that American English was descended from modern British English, than you wouldn't keep arguing with me when I say it isn't. You would just say "yes, that's correct" and shut up. But you don't do that.
simmer22
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#97 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 7:17 AM Last edited by simmer22 : 27th Nov 2025 at 7:40 AM.
You've clearly been skim-reading posts...



This topic has more than overstayed its welcome...
JOHNCzee
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#98 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 8:29 AM Last edited by JOHNCzee : 27th Nov 2025 at 9:20 AM.
I Agree with FranH (and others)

I'm embarrassed I started it.
Fun is fun,
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kestrellyn
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#99 Old 27th Nov 2025 at 8:47 AM
Quote: Originally posted by simmer22
I'm just trying to say that the "common ancestor" you're talking about is the English version the British brought with them to America, and that they split off around that point.


Obviously that's true, and as we've gone over now many times at this point, that would be Early Modern English. If that's all you were trying to say here you wouldn't have any reason to disagree with me and would have stopped posting a long time ago. Instead, you're trying to find more and more dumb reasons why you weren't actually wrong. Just say "I was wrong." It's very easy, you can do it. I believe in you.
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